Pass The Ammo

This crap doesn’t even justify a response but this is me we’re talkin about here.

First, you got no friggin clue to the pain that Terri amd her family is going through. Her brain is shriveling like a damn a raisin and you think a lil morphine is gonna make her feel nice and cozy.

Here’s a idea… lets kill all babies! They can’t feed themselves or talk. Hey while were at it lets kill all the hundreds of thousands of retards. And heck let’s kill all the f-ing paralized folk,too, cuz obviously you know whats best for them. And if were gunna kill the paralized folks we should prolly kill them folks in wheel chair cuz we have to give them the sweet parking spots at Wal-mart. Let’s kill all the kids with cancer, cuz they cost too much to treat. Man, we are on a roll here let keep goin… How bout the walfare mama’s? They are a burden on society, lets snuff em out, too.

Sound silly? This post does too. The people who you suggest are jumping on the “Save Terri” bandwagon are folks like me… CHRISTIANS. Don’t mock your brothers and sisters. We are pro-life activist who take a stand against ignorant people who cannot and will not value human life. God help those people who can’t see past their own nose.

Im outty.

oh yea… my dad was in the same boat. I also saw a special last night on Pat Boone’s son. He was in worse shape than Terri and recovered substancially.

But that doesn’t matter to a lot of people. Terri will be dead in a few days and you all can go on living your lives as nothing ever happened. Just like people do everyday when 4400 babies get slaughter, per day, through abortion. If it doesn’t affect you you don’t give a crap.

Ok, when the front of your brain MELTS. Then it’s time to call er quits. Theres no saving this woman. She has the mental capacity of an planerian.

Doing this would be a great justice for her.

I’m seeing so many half-truths and outright falsehoods being thrown around here, it’s ridiculous. From the report Jeb Bush requested, written by her Guardian Ad Litem:

Michael Schiavo, on Theresa’s and his own behalf, initiated a medical malpractice lawsuit against the obstetrician who had been overseeing Theresa’s fertility therapy. In 1993, the malpractice action concluded in Theresa and Michael’s favor, resulting in a two element award: More than $750,000 in economic damages for Theresa, and a loss of consortium award (non economic damages) of $300,000 to Michael. The court established a trust fund for Theresa’s financial award, with SouthTrust Bank as the Guardian and an independent trustee. This fund was meticulously managed and accounted for and Michael Schiavo had no control over its use. There is no evidence in the record of the trust administration documents of any mismanagement of Theresa’s estate, and the records on this matter are excellently maintained.

On 12 May 1990, following extensive testing, therapy and observation, she was discharged to the College Park skilled care and rehabilitation facility. Forty-nine days later, she was transferred again to Bayfront Hospital for additional, aggressive rehabilitation efforts. In September of 1990, she was brought home, but following only three weeks, she was returned to the College Park facility because the “family was overwhelmed by Terry’s care needs.”

On 18 June 1990, Michael was formally appointed by the court to serve as Theresa’s legal guardian, because she was adjudicated to be incompetent by law. Michael’s appointment was undisputed by the parties.

The clinical records within the massive case file indicate that Theresa was not responsive to neurological and swallowing tests. She received regular and intense physical, occupational and speech therapies.

Theresa’s husband, Michael Schiavo and her mother, Mary Schindler, were virtual partners in their care of and dedication to Theresa. There is no question but that complete trust, mutual caring, explicit love and a common goal of caring for and rehabilitating Theresa, were the shared intentions of Michael Shiavo and the Schindlers.

In late Autumn of 1990, following months of therapy and testing, formal diagnoses of persistent vegetative state with no evidence of improvement, Michael took Theresa to California, where she received an experimental thalamic stimulator implant in her brain. Michael remained in California caring for Theresa during a period of several months and returned to Florida with her in January of 1991. Theresa was transferred to the Mediplex Rehabilitation Center in Brandon, where she received 24 hour skilled care, physical, occupational, speech and recreational therapies.

Despite aggressive therapies, physician and other clinical assessments consistently revealed no functional abilities, only reflexive, rather than cognitive movements, random eye opening, no communication system and little change cognitively or functionally.

On 19 July 1991 Theresa was transferred to the Sable Palms skilled care facility. Periodic neurological exams, regular and aggressive physical, occupational and speech therapy continued through 1994.

JJ: You’re trying to compare letting someone without a solid brain pass away with exterminating the poor and murdering retards? Sorry, there’s a difference between letting nature (or God) take it’s course, and committing genocide against undesirables.

And no, it’s got nothing to do with “being a Christian.” Your stance on this topic is in the extreme minority even among Christians. Even evangelicals are almost divided in half on this case.

Let the Lord take her when He is ready? How do you know he’s not trying to? How do you know he’s not working through Michael Schiavo? YOU DON’T. You don’t know where God stands on this. You don’t.

myradiohead, the problem is that there is a technical and legal difference between suspending life-support and letting things run their course, and actively aiding in the death of a person—euthanasia. Florida has a law which specifically prohibits assisted suicide, and euthanasia is prohibited in Florida. So Terri cannot be given an injection of painkillers and other drugs which will hasten her death in Florida. I agree with you though.

If God really wanted her dead she would be dead already, he doesnt need our help doing it. I am not a bleeding heart, but I do not think that any innocent person needs to die. Who knows what God’s plan for her is, maybe he is working through her to get someone somewhere to lead a better life. When people decide who’s life is worth living and who’s life isn’t worth living, that is when things like columbine and minnesota start happening. Just because she appears to us to not be living at the same “quality of life” as you or I does not mean that we have the right to deny her basic necessities.

The original Nick:

I’m not saying “God wants her dead,” I’m saying that YOU have absolutely no way of knowing what God wants. How dare you, or any of us, presume to know what God’s plan is for Terri. If you want to say that you oppose this situation, then fine. But don’t pretend that you know how God feels about the situation. You don’t.

Nick 2:

“Her fate should be in the hands of her parents, and not her deadbeat Rat B*****d Husband.”

Well, that’s not how the law works. You pick your spouse, you don’t pick your parents. Your spouse is the most reliable diviner of your wishes because you have spent most of your recent years with your spouse and not your parents. I can say with the utmost certainty that my girlfriend and my best friends have a far more accurate idea of of what my wishes would be in this situation.

Furthermore, they would be far more capable of carrying out my wishes than my mother would ever be able to. She’s my mother—she could never take the action that I wish for. Ever. That doesn’t mean that she’s right and that my girlfriend is wrong, or wants me dead, or anything like that.

I completely agree with you Guav, I have no idea what Gods plan is for her, or anyone. I guess I worded it wrong, but you made my point that we have no idea what Gods plan is for her. Maybe he wants her to suffer for some reason, maybe he wants her to get better miraculously in 10 years, maybe he wants someone somewhere to see her situation and change their life for the better I dont know. When people decide to not give her the basic necessities of life (i.e. food and water) we are deciding what should be done.

You can say “If God wanted her to die he’d taker,” but it can just as easily be said that if God wants her to live, then she’ll live, regardless of whether her feeding tube is removed.

“When people decide to not give her the basic necessities of life (i.e. food and water) we are deciding what should be done.”

When people decide to make the federal government intervene in a private family issue that is the jurisdiction of the state, we are ALSO deciding what should be done.

When we have people proposing that the National Guard to be called out to protect her, or when people are trying to steal guns to bust in there and “rescue” her, we are ALSO deciding what should be done.

And at that point, it should be noted, we have completely lost our frickin minds and totally blown this single case out of proportion.

Yea well thats the one thing I think we can all agree on, this whole thing is absolutely crazy, 10 and 13 year old kids are getting arrested for trying to give someone some water…

End of life choices for terminally ill or brain-dead patients ARE private familiy matters.

Stop making outrageous and inapplicable comparisons.

Yes. Why the hell would you spend your life raising a shell? I don’t see what’s not connecting with you folks? This is common sense stuff. She’s brain dead, what’s so hard to understand about that? This whole thing has been arried out WAY out of proportion. Why the hell do you make such a big deal over some brain dead woman when you don’t give two sharts over a clinic that kills babies all day. I’m not comparing her to a baby at all. I’m saying you are putting all your efforts into a hopeless case when there are MUCH more impoiortant issues that need that attention.

Ok I have been silent about this for a while and I think I should probably remain silent… but oh well. She is not technically braindead. She is technically severely retarded and cannot take care of herself. If she was braindead then they would have to just unplug her and she would die. I don’t think that a truely brain dead person who is still medically alive on machines is really alive anyway. Terri is not like that. She can respond to stimulus, whereas braindead people cannot. Terri can breath on her own, braindead people cannot. She has mental capabilities… its just not up to your guy’s standards. Can you guys really be that stupid? The Original Nick has it right… if God wants her… no matter how much we try to save her she will still die. If I went and got bit by a rattle snake I am not going to just assume that God wants me dead and not treat it. God gave us our brains so that we can use them. God has allowed us to use medicine to save people and it is foolish to think that some people deserve treatment and some don’t. Shame on you people. She may be not all there mentally but people have recovered from worse from longer time periods… let God choose and let us choose always to protect the things that God has given us… life.

Im not saying you believe in the theory of eveolution but the definition of natural selection is

“The process in nature by which only the organisms best adapted to their environment tend to survive and transmit their genetic characteristics in increasing numbers to succeeding generations while those less adapted tend to be eliminated.”

Thats what I am seeing here. Maybe I am wrong. From what I understood, you think that the “strong should survive.”

Dude, I am not mad. I am frustrated about how flippant and uncaring you are about our particular viewpoint. I get it… you disagree with me. But to totally disregard anyone else’s stance is what I don’t understand.

I don’t understand why Heath would say sometjing about how uncaring we are about abortion when he knows how we feel and what we do. Why would you say that?????

To JJ, babies have a future, along with cancer patients and “welfare mama’s”. Just had to throw that in.

Personally, I think that, since is she is incapable of feeding herself and her husband doens’t want to deal with her, give all rights to her parents and let the rest of the world get on with life and those bigger issues mentioned. I pity her and her family, and I don’t think she should die by starving, but tell her freakin husband to give up and let her parents take custody. They want her. What’s the big deal? This issue is the proverbial dead horse at this point. If they don’t resolve something soon she’s going to die and it won’t matter anyway. Well, had to contribute my two cents. Yes, Chad, I’m tired of all of the stupid news coverage.

There is a difference between something being living something having a life.

“Life” in general, as some state of being, is not nearly important as the quality of life. If we’re going to be so concerned with “life,” then at least an equal amount of time and energy should be spent trying to improve the lives of those whose lives are lacking—whether it be poverty, hunger, health care, education, etc.

But these aren’t flashy topics, they aren’t glamorous fights, and they don’t stir the emotions like poor Terri does, so by and large, most people (although not all) fighting for Terri’s life completely ignore these concrete, very real problems.

I am seeing a lot of selective concern for life going around. There’s a lot of talk of “life” as being the supreme thing that must be protected at all costs. Well, unless it’s someone on death row. Or an animal. Or an Iraqi citizen. Or one of the 3 million people who have been slaughtered in Sudan in the last 5 years. Or an American soldier. So on and so forth.

If life itself was the paramount concern, everyone who opposes Terri’s tube being removed would oppose the death penalty and war also—and they’d be a hell of a lot more concerned with the systematic rape/slaughter in Sudan than they are with Terri Schiavo. Or they’d be advocating extending Medicaid instead of slashing it. Or they’d be pushing for national healthcare—or a host of other things that have a very real effect on peoples lives every single day, instead of turning Terri Schiavo into a media circus for their own personal jihad.

That is, if you believe that all life is created equal. But we don’t, really. We don’t believe all life is created equal, just the ones that we arbitrarily decide matter at any given time. There are WAY HUGER problems than Terri Schiavo, if an overriding concern for life is really your goal.

Chad is consistent. He’s not claiming to have some unsurpassable respect for all “life” no matter what, which is why he can get away with talkin about shootin’ Ay-rabs, frying criminals, and being against abortion all in one breath without being a hypocrite.

Goodnight.

The reason she is so amazing is because her situation is illistrating how our society views life… what I see is sad.

The media can’t “get over it” as long as we Congress and the President specially convening (and interveneing), and as long as we have people suggesting we send the National Guard in to storm to hospice (or even people trying to do themselves).

And seriously, when are people going to stop trying to rob GUN STORES with boxcutters and knives and samurai swords and stuff?

Then what the crap were you doing, cuz it dang sure looked like a comparison to me. Was it an “example”? Cuz it sucked if it was. Satire? Not your forte, stay away. And no, just fyi, I didn’t thoroughly read your last post. Go figure. My freakin bad.

You’re right. I don’t know why all these people would let this woman suffer. It’s all politics over moral. The big mistake was everybody getting involved, such as el presidente, and they don’t even know her… so how the hell could they know what she wants? Anyways, good point about the starving children in africa… does everybody think that keeping a numb, vegetative woman alive is more important than keeping a conscious group of people (1 million dollars could save a lotta people) who can actually FEEL the pain of starvation alive? I think not. Ciao.

-Bob

I have been kinda interested in what CP Baker said earlier…

C.P. Baker says,

Kinda off the topic, But kinda the same catergory- Y’all think Jesus is pro capital punishment? Is He for the death penalty or against it??
Me and some buddies have been having this debate for a couple of weeks now…

This is something that I have been struggling with myslef and Guav made the point why is one life so important while others are not… I think the whole Terry Shiavo thing is important because it hits closer to home for some people, something that we have lived through or are currently living through, but what about the people in Sudan, or on death row, why arent their lives as important?

Basically all that stuff aside, my question is this, how is the death penalty consistent with a pro-life stance?

Speaking as a person who has been to the March-for-life in Washinton D.C. several times(among other things for the pro-life movement), I sometimes do feel like a hypocrite when I stand for saving a fetus’s life and not for other people who are about to die. Basically, what is the test for us to deteriming when it is ok for someone to die and someone else to live?

very well-stated, OsideRocker. i completely agree.

I wasnt meaning to relate terri schiavo to the death penalty, I think they are two completely different situations, I was just asking the question that where is the line drawn on a pro-life stance? Some could say all living things (animal, plants, insects, humans…), some could say all humans (death row inmates, terminally ill patients…), some could say all humans that havent done anything to blatantly disrespect (oside’s comment above)? I guess I have just been struggling with where to draw this line in my beliefs and have a hard time seeing anyone dying, and with how much you do hear about it lately, it just really sucks to see people so eager to let someone die.

I’d like to think that He did.