Pass The Ammo

Two words: WASHINGTON STATE.

Three more: Christine Gregouire, Patty Murray, and Maria Cantwell.

The “Feminazi Trio,” as I like to refer to them as. Life sucks for the poor conservative Washingtonian.

Sounds like you guys need to get someone to do a professional assassination out there. How did she make it into office in Idaho? If you think Wisconsin is bad try attending high school in PA, we have a club at school known as the GSA (gay-straight alliance) to “promote tolerance in a diverse world.” Or as I say, promote my foot up your ass you fags. In my JROTC squadron we do our best to piss the hell out of them (and have gotten very good at it).

So if I understand you well guys, homosexuals are a “problem” and the solution to this problem is to “Kick Their Ass”? Is that it?

Didn’t you guys see BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN? I thought all hicks and cowboys went up to the mountains and screwed each other from behind every weekend. Isn’t that what you guys do on your “hunting trips” and in your “shooting clubs”?

I love to hear what all you hicks have to say, cause as I’m sitting here at college with enough cat for a lifetime YA’LL are kicking back with your Penthouses in the back of your 5th wheel campers.

Have you ever read the book 1984? You are the reason we’re gonna end up there. Er wait… do you know how to read?

Hey, If youre calling me a hillbilly just know that 1984 resembles the soviet union than anything we have here in the U.S. By the way, the soviet union was a marxist style government which is far left, as where I am on the far right (not fascist far but still very conservative. )

I donno I see the connection, dont you, I mean a bunch of conservatives are definently going to turn us into the most leftist evil country ever created It just makes so much sense.

Ya it is kinda pathetic, we have so much fun screwing with them though I think Id kinda be bored without them. Then again maybe not

Well at least their good for a laugh once and a while.

Me - yeah, that’s basically fine with me. just saying, if it was my decision, that’s what i’d do. it’s my opinion that homosexuality is a natural state for some people, sort of like a mental disease (although not in the traditional sense of the phrase). as far as i’m concerned, as long as people exist, homosexuals will, so we might as well move on. It is not a gay person’s choice to become gay, same way as I didn’t wake up one morning and decide “know what? i’m gonna be straight from now on.”

and i think we have more pressing issues to dedicate our time to.:beer:

Some things just make you say, W.T.F. What is going on with this country, a queer congresswoman? I can stand most people but homosexuals just flat piss me off. They decide to be gay, that is there own choice, and in this country you have the right to be. Even if it is wrong. But when they start trying to adopt kids I think that they cross a line. Like I said before they choose to be gay, if god really wanted gay couples to have kids he would not have made Adam and Eve he would have created Adam and Steve.

Hey Chad,

Did you not move to Idaho to get away from “fruits” like this in CA??

Did you bring her with you or did she follow you. We don’t want her back, you are stuck with her.

Woodser

Give me a break, man. Are you trying to tell us that you are completely ignorant to the slow, steady, desensitization of the homosexual culture through media and politics?

Christians have watched this gay culture, which happens to be in direct conflict with Holy Scripture, move from being a sick lifestyle in the 50’s to popular TV storylines of the 90’s (and later). Being a fag is all the rage these days.

Lemme break it down fer ya:

1) Homosexuality is SIN
2) God is without SIN
3) Everything that is not of God is called “EVIL”
4) Homosexuality is EVIL.
5) Holy Scripture tells us to hate EVIL
6) I hate Homosexuality and the gay agenda.
7) I do not hate the homo… just everything about the homo.
Nobody is going to make me feel guilty for loving God’s Law.

JJ. out.

ok there’s no point in me arguing with you about this, being that it’s a religious thing… although I would say that the spread of homosexual culture into the mainstream is more a product of the public’s fascination with homosexuality, because it was not something that anyone talked about in public until recently. and i think that the novelty will wear off, because in the end, most people don’t care.

“What is going on with this country, a queer congresswoman?”

Nicole is a state legislator, not a member of Congress (yet).

How did she get in the legislature? With 67.2% of the vote, despite well funded, party-backed primary opposition. Darn that pesky democracy!

Anyone that is “pissed off” by gays and lesbians better take a long look in the mirror inside the closet.

The beauty of it all is that your paranoia and bigotry is not representative of most people in Idaho, and certainly not in America. Nicole was elected because she is hardworking, intelligent and responsive to her constituents. Even Idaho asshats can appreciate that.

I’m not gonna say anything except to repeat that anyone who think gays are a major political issue has their priorities mixed up. Let’s worrying about poverty, war, education, illness, unemployment, sheesh even abortion, and then we can talk about whether gays should be in government or marry. What they do on their time is their business, and has no harmful effects on third parties.

Chad : How do the acts of two consenting adults affect you in any way?

Let’s say, for the sake of some retarded argument, that your farm animal-conspiracy theory actually holds water.
Why would the idea of an adults hypothetical right to marry, and possibly have sex with, an animal, be so morally appalling to a person who kills said animals for sport? Is the penetration of a penis that more vulgar and morally indefensible than the penetration of a bullet?

And by the way, the fall of rome was hardly due to what you perceive to be ‘moral decay’. Barbaric invasion, major economic problems and the rise of a certain cult called cristianity was infinitely more important factors in the demise of the bloated empire.

I am against bestiality for the same reason that I am a vegetarian. I do find it repulsive, because animals are unable to consent to neither sex nor slaughter.
Bestiality is indeed legal in Sweden (since 1944) but since we have rather strict (more than America, I believe) animal abuse-laws most people caught in flagrante delicto face charges of animal cruelty. This means that the offenders are actually being sentenced for causing harm rather than lack of sexual purity. One could, of course, argue that it’s purely semantics.

Man is an animal also, and thus partakes in the seamingly meaningless struggle of life. But because we have the ability to reflect over our actions and make (in our mind) morally conscious decisions, we have the ability to rise above all the killing, should we choose to do so.

Regarding AIDS, the man-on-chimpanzee action-explanation being thrown about does not seem very likely. There are a number of theories that I think are a bit more valid, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPV_AIDS_hypothesis seems to be a rather plausible one. That being said, I don’t really think that having sex with any sort of primate is especially good or healthy for either you or the other, probably unwilling, party. Even though we share a common ancestor

Christianity did indeed begin as the text-book definition of a cult, though perhaps not in the same sense as for example Scientology (which has some aspects that make Jonestown seem like a bookclub in comparison).
Romes ‘moral decay’ was hardly sexual in nature. Corruption, greed and megalomani played a much greater role in the downfall of the empire.
Inbreeding of the Caesars? Not at all on the same scale as would be seen in post-medieval Europe, or even the present (insert joke about the South here). I do think that few people impregnate their sister and expect something good to come of it.

I do not believe in a god, any god, nor do I believe in the concept of a soul or the existence of an afterlife. I always have regarded sentinent life as infinitely more important than my fickle morality.
Whereas you apparently derive your morality from a set of poorly translated ancient scribblings (no offence meant, really), whose divinity can obviously never be ascertained, I try to constantly re-evaluate my morality as I learn and see more.
Whereas you consider homosexuality a mortal sin, I see it as something more than just a random fetisch, a modus operandi seen to exist in many different species.
Few things are black or white, but rather shades of grey (too use a cliché, however true). It is very dangerous too believe in childish certainties in a present as volatile as ours….

Hopefully you can make sense of my reply, however different our viewpoints are. English is my third language and the reply is quite rambling.

Regards (even though you called me a silly swedish pervert and most likely would shoot me should we ever meet),

A Filthy Godless Northern European Socialist (Commie)

The whole “what they do in the bedroom is their business” is not much of an argument. When you become a public servant you are public. Period. What if they were selling our country out in the bedroom? To quote a “set of poorly translated ancient scribblings”, “ Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.” King Solomon scribblings – truth is so refreshing. Sin is a reproach to any people. Now if the public servant was racist would it bother anyone? How about being a liar? Infidelity? All of those are our business. Why? Would you let a child molester baby sit your child? Why would we let a liar be a politician? Being a homosexual is having a flawed character. A homosexual will use the office for personal gain just like a liar would. Homosexuals are in the most abusive relationships. Trust, truthfulness, honesty, are all vacant in a homosexuals life. Just get to know one. The most miserable people I know are homosexual. I pray for them.

As far as being a hillbilly or redneck, then I count it a privilege to be among people who stand for morals. Based off a book of faith it still holds more water than any scientific text book. It was written by a group of people who are among that have some of the highest intelligence in the world – the Jews.

Poor Chad,

Don’t you know what it means to be in the closet?
Perhaps you could prop the door open with your bible and let in a little light and fresh air, you seem deprived of oxygen.

Yup, plenty of gay men are married with kids.

Dangit…now we got fags on here as well as stupid libs.

lol, if holy scripture told u to jump off the balcony ud probably do it, damn hillbillies

Good grief this is makin’ my teeth hurt, if you don’t understand the gay mafia agenda and realize the results the culture of death will have on our society, our nation I suggest you liberal idiots catch a plane and put your kids in a California State School where text books now must make reference to a historically important personages sexual orientation!

For whatever reason people are homosexual and what they do in private to a greater or lessor extent is irrelevant… they are doomed to their deviancy, what irks me is when it’s paraded as an acceptable lifestyle (sic) choice to innocents. Used as a political axe, and ultimately forced upon those of us (religious or otherwise) who find it abhorrent, corrupting, and morally reprehensible.

Baader Mind, your society is already falling apart thanks to lack of faith (in anything), socialism, and infanticide; give us a call again when you need help avoiding becoming Greater Eurabia.
http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003131.php
I’d buy some semi-automatic magazine fed firearms if I were you… assuming you government allows that?

I don’t object to homosexuality for religious reasons. My problem with the gay politicos is that their agenda is so far Left: abortion on demand, gun control, freedom from religion instead of freedom of religion, socialized medicine, redistribution of wealth, environmental extremism, pacifist foreign policy, to name a few. “Gay” pretty much equals “Commie.” Even Log Cabin Republican, which is supposed to be a conservative group, is pushing gay marriage, gay adoption, and hate crimes legislation. I don’t think anyone chooses to be homosexual, but nobody can argue that homosexuals do choose to be Leftists. And I oppose Leftists.

Not to run on too much. but the appropriate term would be homosexual or queer. Queer meaning strange, and fag meaning kindlin can be abrasive when refering to non-heteros. It is there choice, but God did burn down thier city and probably will again one day. But that is His judgement and I ain’t going to be nowhere standing near them. They are on thier own after in some kind of way I or someone minister Christs Love, which is the New Law.
So, it is time to part from thier sins, unless they [homosexuals] reject the Law (New Testement).
As for me, the Word has authority, because it is the only way to salvation under God.

This might not make me popular, but I honestly believe it to be true: any guy who thinks you can wake up each morning and CHOOSE whether you are interested in dating a man or a woman that night is admitting that he is bisexual.

“It’s real easy to make people (children) believe and do anything you desire if you have the educational infrastructure and moral authority to do so, you can even influence one’s sexual proclivity. And today you cannot separate homosexuality from the homosexual agenda as they are linked, the attempts at blind acceptance will lead to an increased influence and ultimately to a certain (unknown) increase in the non-inherent display of the deviant behavior.”

It is certainly possible to condition children to accept homosexuality in others, but to make what would otherwise be a straight person gay???

http://www.colage.org/research/facts.html

while this site obviously has an agenda, it’s not the first or only time i’ve heard that having gay parents has no affect on your sexuality. do you think that YOU would be gay if only you had “two mommies”? i find that a little hard to believe.

Stevil,
I said I get it: you think fags are going to hell. that’s nice. well, I’m questioning whether simply being gay warrants that.

this is a classic “nature vs. nurture” question - is homosexuality natural/inborn or a result of one’s “nurturing” (which I would define as the environment and method in which one is raised.)

i would say that homosexuality is natural, but that one’s environment can cause one to be more/less open about one’s own sexuality, and more/less tolerant towards the sexual proclivities of others.

but the actual homosexuality itself - the attraction to the same sex - is not something that i think can be turned off and on, or cured by any amount of praying and pious living. (whether one is “in the closet” or not is another matter)

“So we should over look his killing spree because he was “born that way”? Umm.. no. He was born with a nature of free choice.”

And if he is a psychopath? You can pretend that a comparison between homosexuality and violent crime is valid, but we both know that they are very different things and should be treated as such.

“Any homo birds? Hmmm…”

Would we know if there were? It’s not as if they’d have rainbow feathers and tight leather pants… Also, the scientific consensus is that, except for humans and dolphins, other species copulate solely and expressely for the purpose of procreation, making homosexuality rather unhelpful. Are the gay dolphins? It’s entirely possible.

I have another question: What is your position on celebate homosexuals? If a gay man does not have gay sex, is he still a sinner?

And a scientific note: If such a thing as a biological predisposition towards homosexuality existed, it would be the result of the wiring in your brain (neurons and synapses) rather than a “gay gene”, which as you suggest, is a bit silly. However, brain science (rather than genetic science) has not advanced nearly far enough for anyone to really assert that he “knows” how homosexuality happens in the brain, which is why we’re having this fight.

So I guess I have to admit that you might be right - homosexuality might be the result of moral decay, etc. - but my own experiences lead me to doubt it very much.

Stevil, why don’t you believe a cure exists?

Simon, We both know that a psy·cho·path Pronunciation (sk-pth) is a person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse (dictionary.com). It is a personality disorder. As you suggested before homosexuality could be a sickness because it definately is not natural as in the way nature intended. Humans and dolphins are the only two species, so, are there any homo dolphins? Seems science would have already done a study on this.

Stevil, why don’t you believe a cure exists?

Chad, I agree that it goes against nature and as I said just because it’s natural doesn’t make it right and in it’s manifestation it’s contrary to the natural order. But the very fact that it exists in a consistent percentage of the population would tend to suggest that the deviancy is just that, a naturally occurring human malfunction (much like other disorders).

CS, as to the route of the malfunction or deviancy, there has been hugh amounts of research, speculation and hypothesis as to that, the latest being male birth order. We do know for instance that homosexual men have double the amount of neurons connecting the brains hemispheres than men which is still about half of that of women BUT what we do know for sure it’s not something that seems to be “curable”. CS you may have experienced faith-based reversals BUT I’d have to question whether those individuals arrived at homosexuality through nurture or nature, if it was the latter I believe they’re not being true to themselves but striving through a case of wishful thinking in a desire to be something that they are not.

Simple Simon, your anthropomorphized argument of animal behavioral display drawing similarities and justification for human display cannot be seriously entertained, there’s plenty of empirical evidence found in a quick Google search that you should read in that regard. That said, I think we’re nearer on this issue than we think.

Stevil,

Nurture or Nature which is it? I ask again, human nature or natural nature? If natural nature then where are the homo apes, dolphins, birds, or anything else? If human nature then you are right. It is human nature to fall to sexual perversion; adultery, homosexual sex, child molestation, to just name a few examples. If it is in natural nature then Darwin’s theory has a serious hole in it, among many other serious holes, but that is a discussion for another time.

You are going against your belief by correcting Simon. If it is nature in the naturalistic sense then our behavior is related to animals in very specific ways.

You’ve said in one of your above posts that just because someone could be born a homosexual doesn’t mean that it is right. I’m a little confused. If they didn’t act on their inborn genetic makeup then does that mean they are not being true to themselves? Thanks.

Whoa whoa whoa. let’s put this on hold for a second. I believe there’s a misunderstanding here about the use of the word natural:
When I say “homosexuality is natural” what I’m trying to say is that it is a biological/chemical thing in the homosexual person, and not something that they can really change. your “homosexuality is a moral disease” position implies that being homosexual is entirely the conscious decision of the individual, something which I simply can’t see.

CS,
The fact that there are no none cases of other homosexual species (i think there MAY actually be dolphin cases, but i can’t be bothered to look) does not mean that homosexaulity can’t be “naturally occuring” (for what i mean, see above) in human beings. After all, our brains are wired very differently…

“If they didn’t act on their inborn genetic makeup then does that mean they are not being true to themselves? Thanks. ”

This is a good point, and the reason why I asked what your position on celebate homosexuals is. Are they still sinners merely for having homosexual thoughts?

CS, as I said nurture/nature… I believe both can be responsible.

And as to arguing semantics of the meaning of nature and human nature I mean nature, let’s not bring human nature in on this as I mean neither the classical description of human nature which identifies ideal form and divine interest or the more modern interoperation of invariant behavior.

I mean a biological naturally occurring developmental malfunction or error AND as for why that isn’t displayed in lessor species, I’d point to the fact we are in a whole different realm than they and anthropomorphizations are irrelevant, you cannot draw identical conclusions based on reasoned observations across a vast species divide; there are no valid comparisons, even in higher mammals.

Also I believe for clarity of position it’s important you don’t mix-up “inborn genetic makeup” with a aberrant developmental malfunction. We’re genetically predisposed to procreate, it is the adulterated development that leads those afflicted to the wrong sex. BUT I also believe environment, socialization reenforcing behavior and peer dynamics CAN also produce similar results.

CS You cannot bring human nature into this argument until you have a mutually agreed definition. More appropriate would be the discussion of human biological maxims and developmental normalcy.

Simply put human brain development post and pre birth is highly susceptible to a myriad of influences that can damage or change the individual beyond the observed norm and inflict a multitude of observable abnormalities.

Malfunctions/adulterations occur in animals too but as I said, species comparisons cannot be drawn, you need to divorce man and the remainder of the animal kingdom (even higher mammals) because the common ground really only extends to basic biological physicality.

Now, as to scientists being able to either replicate or reverse these malfunctions, you have a somewhat optimistic belief in the ability of man to effectively map and manipulate the brain, the hugely complex biology and interactions are way beyond the current medical establishments acumen. It’s like giving a lungfish a wrench and asking it to fix the space shuttle.

:shock:Dude……………….fags are gay…….

Simon, I try not to make it a habit to pronounce sentence on someones eternal soul, since, I ain’t the judge - thank God. All I can say is sin - lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, homosexuality, and other stuff is considered wrong by other religions. My faith in God’s word shows me that those that do such things will spend eternity seperated from God. God is the ultimate judge.

My beliefs: I believe homosexuality is an issue with the soul by ones personal choice. To make one a slave to his biology rips free choice out of the equation and defies common knowledge. Although biology plays a huge role in life, it is ones own personal desires that dictate what they do. Condeming one to hell will not help them now, that is why I oppose homosexuality and preach the saving power of Jesus Christ. Christ did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.

“To make one a slave to his biology rips free choice out of the equation and defies common knowledge. Although biology plays a huge role in life, it is ones own personal desires that dictate what they do.”

Free will is part of the equation, but as I’m sure you know, many of the circumstances that govern our lives are beyond our control. In many ways, we are slaves to our biology. Whether or not you will it, you will need to eat drink, sleep, urinate, etc. to live. No amount of free will to the contrary can change any of those things. Is homosexuality the same? I’m not gay, so I can’t tell you. But I can tell you that my own sexuality is not something I can control.

Allow my take a little hypothetical journey:

Suppose the tables were turned, and homosexuality were the norm, and heterosexuality the “moral disease”. Would you be able to “convert” to homosexuality? While you might try (to avoid the stigma and dangers of being straight), I doubt any of us would simply be able to “change teams”. We might try to keep our heterosexuality a secret, our marry another man so that no one would suspect that we were heterosexuals, but the feelings would remain the same.

CS, could you simply become gay if that was the accepted norm - the “right” way to be? If Jesus told you to sleep with other men, could you do it? Would you?

Simon, First off. I am enjoying this conversation and I realise that neither of us will agree but it is very intersting to hear other thoughts concerning this and many other issues.

“The fact that scientists cannot simply condition homosexuality out of people suggests that it is deeply biologically ingrained…”

The only way it goes against my argument is that you exclude the soul, which I am not, it is my entire argument. I am not excluding the soul. The soul is the place where human will and desires reside, excluding them would be wrong. I understand that you are not totally excluding the soul but you are looking into the alphabet of imagination and writing your conclusion. No evidence of anykind makes homosexuality a biological cause. However we have plenty of facts about human nature. Killing, lying, and other no no’s are based off of human nature.

Because I believe it is a soul sickness it can be reversed and has been on many many many occasions.

“Free will is part of the equation, but as I’m sure you know, many of the circumstances that govern our lives are beyond our control.”

I should have been more precise. I was vague when I said,”biology plays a huge role in life…” meaning life will not exist without involuntary functions, such as your breathing and your heart beating. We can decide to stop it, suicide. I can decide to abstain from food and starve. Or stop my heart from beating by shooting myself. It is a concsious choice. Doing so would stop life. And it takes only a small amount of free will to change these things, you will die, but it is your choice. I understand what you are saying but choice lies at the base of everything we do. God hates sin and would not program sin into our make up. Now, we are born with a fallen human nature making sin part of our human nature.

“Suppose the tables were turned,…”

Okay, I’ll take the bait. Suppose your hypothetical situation did happen. The switch was flipped tonight and all of a sudden homosexualtiy is the norm by the standards of society. It really is possible when you lay homosexuality in the soul’s domain. Number one I know I couldn’t “change teams”, that isn’t the real issue tho. The real issue is this. If it was the accepted norm give it time and biology will take its course and correct human nature by not allowing reproduction. Pro-creation wil stop and people will realise that sex isn’t just for pleasure only but for two people of the opposite sex to become a union in a loving comitted way. Marriage would surge and people would return to God in desperate sorrow for the past generations wrongs.

Jesus is just a mans name. Ask me if Jesus the Messiah told me to do it and I’ll look for nail scares and a wounded side and point to those scars that he took for sin. Then I would ask why on earth did you die to save man from sin just to guide me back into a life your Word condemns?

Simon - the bubble of your hypothetical argument burst when Jesus Christ came in. In your hypothetical argument, which could come true, you should have left Jesus Christ out of the equation. Bringing him on board sunk the ship that sin built and returns us to a moral reality. The soul. Sin is a sickness of the soul. It takes the blood of Jesus Christ being applied to your soul by obeying the gospel in order to heal the sickness and remove the stain of sin. I am a preacher Simon what do you expect?

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Simon: No offense was taken by the Jesus Christ statements. I hope you didn’t take it like I was trying to be offensive in my rebuttal. I was only trying to show that it is Jesus Christ that is the total moral authority. When he is brought into an argument he ends it. I’ve been asked things like that before and once I even fell into a “if Jesus said do it then YES I would” situation. Jesus the Christ would never lead someone to go against what his word says. But you must have a relationship with Him and not religion in order to follow where he leads.

I can only empathize with someone of how it feels in their shoes. If I lived my life trying to walk in everyone else’s shoes then I wouldn’t be walking in mine. I will not give account for someone else’s life but I will be the one who dies for me. The etching in the tombstone will be mine and ultimately that is all that matters. After all I only have one life to give and who else better to give it to than Jesus Christ. I do empathize with people, like handicapped people, I find that compassion flows with empathy. I even empathize with someone who has fallen to deviant sexual behavior. Empathy begs for you to reach out and help them and them help you.

No the issue isn’t with what I would do. I am human and can sin like anyone else if the majority were jumping off a cliff to their death would you do it? Even if their “religion” dictated to you? Well with your hypothetical it is the same difference, only, it is natural causes that will be killing and not the sudden stop at the end. Either way humanity would cease to exist. Like I said your hypothetical could truly happen because homosexuality is a soul issue, an issue of human desires and passions – human nature. However human nature has a strong desire to procreate so I doubt your hypothetical would last more than one generation.

The good ol’boys would be too busy with each other to worry about a virgin hetro such as my self. Right? I must say that Christianity is Christ likeness and can only help someone by showing them the way to Christ and allowing Christ to help them. God’s will is for man to procreate, or else he wouldn’t make a male and female version of our species. I know you don’t really buy into the fact of God creating anything but if it were an evolutionary thing then we’d find homosexual dogs, cats, birds, and other “evolved” species that came into being from the same ball of wax, so to speak. We’d also find a fact or two in our ge