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	<title>Comments on: Choosing Victimhood</title>
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	<description>how far is heaven? i'll go tonight.</description>
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		<title>By: Fred Dawes</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-55366</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Dawes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someday we who love the rights we have maybe forced to fight a corrupt government, "within 10 years", we will see this so-called government become fully hispanic In all areas and with that the government and people will not be American's but become the enemy of freedom, 

buy Guns for the ideals of justice and the rule of law over the rule of evil doers.
open your eyes and look at Mexico city who own our so called political leaders. BUY GUNS FOR LIFE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someday we who love the rights we have maybe forced to fight a corrupt government, &#8220;within 10 years&#8221;, we will see this so-called government become fully hispanic In all areas and with that the government and people will not be American&#8217;s but become the enemy of freedom, </p>
<p>buy Guns for the ideals of justice and the rule of law over the rule of evil doers.<br />
open your eyes and look at Mexico city who own our so called political leaders. BUY GUNS FOR LIFE.</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-50594</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon guns are like freedom of speech in one way. If you take it from one it is taken from all. I understand that a felon shouldn't have the right to carry concealed (they may anyway). Freedom of speech shouldn't be impeded upon just like the right to bear arms. They both protect freedom. One protects but truth and persuasion while the other protects it by force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon guns are like freedom of speech in one way. If you take it from one it is taken from all. I understand that a felon shouldn&#8217;t have the right to carry concealed (they may anyway). Freedom of speech shouldn&#8217;t be impeded upon just like the right to bear arms. They both protect freedom. One protects but truth and persuasion while the other protects it by force.</p>
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		<title>By: Van Zant</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-50593</link>
		<dc:creator>Van Zant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guns dont symbolize power, guns give people power, good or bad.  There are many people who should not have that power, and IIl keep my guns to balance out the power of those who shouldn't have them should I ever need to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guns dont symbolize power, guns give people power, good or bad.  There are many people who should not have that power, and IIl keep my guns to balance out the power of those who shouldn&#8217;t have them should I ever need to.</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Simon</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-50561</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guns symbolize power. and whether it is good that a particular individual should have that power depends on who they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guns symbolize power. and whether it is good that a particular individual should have that power depends on who they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Van Zant</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-50534</link>
		<dc:creator>Van Zant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add to cs's comment, and steal a little from V for Vendetta... guns are symbols, as is the act of owning them. A symbol alone is meaningless but it is given power by people, and with enough people a symbol can change the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add to cs&#8217;s comment, and steal a little from V for Vendetta&#8230; guns are symbols, as is the act of owning them. A symbol alone is meaningless but it is given power by people, and with enough people a symbol can change the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry McGhee</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-50509</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry McGhee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hECK, good point CS @ 17...

You'd been crap outt'a luck in Katrina without at least a 10/22. But if your not willing to shoot, guess yA' choose VICT'M HOOD  &#62; DEBATE

Katrina: PROOF the cops and government can't save your a##, all that government cheese for naught</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hECK, good point CS @ 17&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;d been crap outt&#8217;a luck in Katrina without at least a 10/22. But if your not willing to shoot, guess yA&#8217; choose VICT&#8217;M HOOD  &gt; DEBATE</p>
<p>Katrina: PROOF the cops and government can&#8217;t save your a##, all that government cheese for naught</p>
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		<title>By: Terry McGhee</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-50506</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry McGhee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank God I live in a nation where I can choose too or not too own my gun/ssss

Four per household sounds like a good number, minimum, if the owner is not drugged or wacked out of his mind.

Defense or hunting, I'm keeping mine WITHOUT DEBATE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank God I live in a nation where I can choose too or not too own my gun/ssss</p>
<p>Four per household sounds like a good number, minimum, if the owner is not drugged or wacked out of his mind.</p>
<p>Defense or hunting, I&#8217;m keeping mine WITHOUT DEBATE!</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-50245</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 04:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guns are not just a weapon. They are symbols. To the law abiding US citizen it is a symbol of freedom, a symbol of sustaining freedom, a symbol of protection and survival. For a criminal it is a symbol of lawless power. To remove guns from the fabric of freedom would leave a tattered rotten rug. 

Tools have power and a gun has the power to persuade more than any other weapon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guns are not just a weapon. They are symbols. To the law abiding US citizen it is a symbol of freedom, a symbol of sustaining freedom, a symbol of protection and survival. For a criminal it is a symbol of lawless power. To remove guns from the fabric of freedom would leave a tattered rotten rug. </p>
<p>Tools have power and a gun has the power to persuade more than any other weapon.</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Simon</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-50214</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh, i wrote something, but it disappeared into the void of cyberspace.

So I did a little reading, and the conclusion i've reached is that this is one of the rare situations in which moderation is a bad thing. that is, either you should have lots of guns, so that both criminal and citizen are likely to have them, or very few, so that neither do. cases in point: england and switzerland.

in england, handguns are basically illegal, and thhe police carry only batons (except in special situations). the british homocide rate, especially firearms-related, is much lower than our own.

on the other extreme is switzerland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

there, just about every adult male carries as part of a sortr of national militia/army. switzerland is also famously peaceable, much more so than here.

so judging from these case studies, the way to make ourselves safest is either to have lots of guns or as few as possible (this means cracking down on illegal arms especially, which england does much better than america). both of these serve to "level the playing field" 

the real question is "which would be easiest to do?" In a country like america, where guns are pretty abudant, the answers seem to be: arm everyone. 

but there is a problem with this analysis. for every switzerland, there are many examples to the contrary - the DRC, Sierra Leone, Iraq, the list goes on. all of these places have lots of guns, and horrific violence. so does one thing lead to another? do more guns = more violence. i don't have enough information to say conclusively that they do, but you can't definitely say that they don't. In many of these places, the violence would occur by (for example) machete, if not by gun, so you say "what's the difference? guns don't kill people, people kill people". 

but guns grant people physical power that they would otherwise lack, and whether that extra power is good or bad, depends on the person and on the situation they are in. a concientuous citizen in one scenario can easily become a murderer in another.

the US government's history of backing some rather dubious allies with weapons to bad effect is evidence of the dangers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh, i wrote something, but it disappeared into the void of cyberspace.</p>
<p>So I did a little reading, and the conclusion i&#8217;ve reached is that this is one of the rare situations in which moderation is a bad thing. that is, either you should have lots of guns, so that both criminal and citizen are likely to have them, or very few, so that neither do. cases in point: england and switzerland.</p>
<p>in england, handguns are basically illegal, and thhe police carry only batons (except in special situations). the british homocide rate, especially firearms-related, is much lower than our own.</p>
<p>on the other extreme is switzerland.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland</a></p>
<p>there, just about every adult male carries as part of a sortr of national militia/army. switzerland is also famously peaceable, much more so than here.</p>
<p>so judging from these case studies, the way to make ourselves safest is either to have lots of guns or as few as possible (this means cracking down on illegal arms especially, which england does much better than america). both of these serve to &#8220;level the playing field&#8221; </p>
<p>the real question is &#8220;which would be easiest to do?&#8221; In a country like america, where guns are pretty abudant, the answers seem to be: arm everyone. </p>
<p>but there is a problem with this analysis. for every switzerland, there are many examples to the contrary - the DRC, Sierra Leone, Iraq, the list goes on. all of these places have lots of guns, and horrific violence. so does one thing lead to another? do more guns = more violence. i don&#8217;t have enough information to say conclusively that they do, but you can&#8217;t definitely say that they don&#8217;t. In many of these places, the violence would occur by (for example) machete, if not by gun, so you say &#8220;what&#8217;s the difference? guns don&#8217;t kill people, people kill people&#8221;. </p>
<p>but guns grant people physical power that they would otherwise lack, and whether that extra power is good or bad, depends on the person and on the situation they are in. a concientuous citizen in one scenario can easily become a murderer in another.</p>
<p>the US government&#8217;s history of backing some rather dubious allies with weapons to bad effect is evidence of the dangers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Van Zant</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-50135</link>
		<dc:creator>Van Zant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, answer this question: If a teacher/driver/pilot/clerk/*insert your own here* is armed, who will attempt to commit a crime with them present?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, answer this question: If a teacher/driver/pilot/clerk/*insert your own here* is armed, who will attempt to commit a crime with them present?</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-49784</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sometimes, Simon... talking to you is like talking to a brick wall... and i think you do it on purpose.

If you don't "see what we're saying" from the previous post...   then you won't be seeing anything...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sometimes, Simon&#8230; talking to you is like talking to a brick wall&#8230; and i think you do it on purpose.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t &#8220;see what we&#8217;re saying&#8221; from the previous post&#8230;   then you won&#8217;t be seeing anything&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Simon</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-49774</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So would you say that legalized handguns make us safer?</description>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2006/12/choosing-victimhood/#comment-49759</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, friend. :beer:</description>
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