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By: Simple Simon

Simple Simon — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:34:53 +0000

great! I’m glad you agree with me that this issue is a matter of incentives. I hope that next time illegal immigration comes up, you’ll be with me in saying “forget the mexican day laborers, we need to go for these companies that are selling working class americans down the river first, and then we can start worrying about rounding up Jose and the boys.”

heck, without a job, unwelcome in a foreign country, and with the usual risk of capture and deportation, Jose and the boys might find themselves looking for a ride back home…

By: liz

liz — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:18:57 +0000

see, here’s the thing simon. they ARENT doing ‘jobs that americans wont do’ americans WOULD do those jobs. the illegals are just cheaper for the companies to hire for several reasons. first, when you get paid and you’re company takes out your medicare tax and the company has to match that amount and send it to uncle sam. if you’re illegal they dont have to do that. second, they dont have to carry that costly workers comp insurance, third, they dont have to pay unemployment benefits, fourth, the illegals have been known to work for LESS than minimum wage, usually a day rate. so its a win win really.

i am in complete agreement with you! there needs to be PUNISHMENT for these shady companies. laws for this are alrready IN PLACE. but nobody’s ENFORCING THEM. what good is having laws that arent enforced? i tend to veer toward the more swift and severe punishment. heavy fines and yanking of buisness licenses. because it eliminates the question in their head of ‘is it worth the risk?’ make the answer an resounding NO and you dont have to worry about it.

with that out of the way, we MUST secure those boarders (cananda too, thats where our hijakers came in from)
and again i prefer swift and severe measures. ie electric fences etc. so again those people thinking about crossing, realize its not worth the risk.

here’s the funny thing about people. if they THINK they can do something and get away with it, there is a much higher probability that they will do it. comes down to the old ‘risk vs. reward’. take away the reward, ie jobs, and skyrocket the risk, ie life & limb, they will stop coming.

you cant make laws that arent enforced and expect them to work. you cant do namby pamby measures of protecting yourself and expect it to work. it wont.

By: Simple Simon

Simple Simon — Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:47:54 +0000

p.s. they aren’t stealing our jobs, we’re giving them jobs. the mexicans really aren’t the big bad villains here. it’s the companies and people that employ them.

but at the end of the day it’s your choice: enforce the law on the relatively small group of individuals and organizations that employ illegals or try to punish each one. if you can’t see the sense in what I suggest, then go ahead and try your stupid fences, landmines, border patrols and paddy wagons. and may god help you, cause you’ll definitely need it.

By: Simple Simon

Simple Simon — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:15:34 +0000

Yeah I don’t agree with the argument you paraphrased either. That and the “America is a country of immigrants” thing irritate me because they aren’t relevant and try to ignore the problem rather than solving it.

By: Van Zant

Van Zant — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:13:38 +0000

Nobody said that but ss’s “stealing our jobs” thing reminded me of it.

By: Van Zant

Van Zant — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:10:21 +0000

I hate when people say that they do the jobs americans won’t: they do that jobs americans won’t do for THOSE WAGES.

By: Simple Simon

Simple Simon — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:04:45 +0000

Liz,
No need for a notice, or anything else. Just take their jobs away and suddenly the high costs of living in the US (this is a CRITICAL factor that I havent emphasized enough; it is much more expensive to live here than in mexico, even if you live like the typical day laborer…), being away from home (for some of them) and the threat of deportation (I’m not saying we should stop deporting altogether, just that we don’t need to be any more aggressive than we already are.) will seem a lot more severe.

As for forced labor, yes I was partly kidding. But the point I was making is that the mexicans wouldn’t stay if there wasn’t money in it for them. So turn off the money flow, and the vasy majority won’t even want to be here anymore. We won’t need to force them out, or keep them from coming back cause their reason for being here (you do agree that their main reason for being here is to “steal our jobs” don’t you?) would be gone.

By: liz

liz — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:39:52 +0000

ok simon so we’ll broadcast a two week notice for them to pack up and hit the road of their own accord before we give ‘em the big black boot them hows that?
and yes i do likey my land mines, electric fences and marine snipers thankyouverymuches.

forced labor are you kidding me?!?

and yes i am fully aware how busy our troops are. i’ve been married to one for almost ten years, and he’s currently on his third tour in the sand.

BUT at least we agree on the illegal employer stomp

By: Simple Simon

Simple Simon — Mon, 19 Feb 2007 02:29:00 +0000

yeah, that sounds good. instead of forcing the illegals to leave of their own accord by the millions turning off the illegal jobs faucet, we can build a fence (maybe we can hire some Mexican day laborers?), start planting landmines and get all those troops we’ve got sitting around twiddling their thumbs (not like there’s a war on or anything, is it?) and cut the Mexicans down like dogs(even though they are ultimately the ones being taken advantage of for what is practically forced labour. how many millionaire mexican day laborers have you heard of?)
that seems sensible.

i hope you’re kidding. i just don’t see how anyone could disagree with my solution to the illegal immigration problem. i’m not saying it will ever happen (too many rich powerful people would find their wallets hurting) but if we were serious about stop illegal immigration, enforcing employment laws on THE EMPLOYERS is the way to go. if we did that, the Mexican government would be the ones with the immigration problem. no fence, no marines, no land mines, no crap. just simple law enforcement and the power of economic incentives.

By: liz

liz — Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:30:22 +0000

wouldnt it be funny if we could like deport them to different countries? (say….fwance? try gettin’ across THAT pond!) :lol::lol:

By: liz

liz — Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:27:19 +0000

boarder controll= 200 yds of land mines in front an electric fence and sniper towers every 5 miles run by marine snipers, lets let our boys get some target practice shall we?. end of story. end of illegal ‘migration’ aka ‘invasion’. as for the illegals already here simply ENFORCE our laws already in place! and PUNISH the employers severly! oh and i am fully supportive of a nationwide ’round up’ to collect them and boot ‘em out. sure, we wont get every last single one but we can get most of ‘em. oh and guess what? NO anchor babies! two illegals dropping a kid on american soil does NOT make that baby an american!

and there you go. problem solved.

By: Simple Simon

Simple Simon — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:13:12 +0000

Yeah the real problem concerning the border is not some sort of mexican invasion, but a lack of political will. the reason for the problem is that cracking down on employers of illegal immigrants would be political and economic suicide.

By: Van Zant

Van Zant — Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:33:25 +0000

I never thought I’d say this, ss, but thats a good point. I still think we should do more about it at the source of the border but you do bring up a good point that they are risking their lives to cross in the first place by traveling through the desert so they’d probably still risk getting shot.