Pass The Ammo

I am guessin she is nothing but a conservative puppet, brainwashed by the Bush Administration to lie to the American Media. She probably doesn’t have any of that “book learnings” either. Right Guav?

Leave the emotion out of your “professional studies”. She said it herself…it’s very unprofessional.

Shes says its savage over there…..why the hell do you think those troops play their Nintendo’s and then roll out of the wire and just do their job…are we supposed to feel some bullshit attachment to these people? Screw that. You can’t trust a single person over there, so go ahead with that fake ass emotional attachment….see if it doesn’t burn you in the end.

If you had to go out and just troll through nasty ass garbage dumps picking up body after body, you tend to get “numb” to certain things, so just imagine how those troops feel when they roll out through Irak…day after day after day. It’s just shitty over there and to expect the ground pounders to “see the bigger picture”….you have been sitting in your office too long, and you will never know what it feels like.

I hate these things. Studies on Irak should show just one thing….It SUCKS! That’s it. She’s a bleeding heart. There’s no such thing as civility in Irak.

AWWW, it’s so cute—you guys love me so much that even when I’m not commenting on an entry you argue with “Invisible Guav” until I show up. I feel so special.

JJ: I watched the whole video waiting for the part that you guys thought I was supposed to disagree with, but … er … it never came.

Where was the “conservative” or pro-Administration part? I must have missed it. Why don’t you explain to me what she said that was supposed to get me all rankled, cause I ain’t seein’ it.

Jeff: Wow, that’s really incisive commentary—I was “playing with my pud” (or my uncle’s)—how long did it take you to think that knee-slapper up? Are you in 5th grade?

Heath C.: I agree—emotional appeals do little more than confuse the issue.

the only exception….Pat Dollard..but then he doesn’t fall into the “media types” role…he quite obviously falls into the BAMF category there.

I don’t think the problem is that she’s in the MSM, I think the problem is that she’s a woman. Too damn emotional.

That being said, The Notebook kicked butt … don’t front on it hahaha

I ain’t sayin’ it was hard to figure out, just sayin’ I liked the story, I liked Ryan Gosling’s character, and the chick was hot. Could have used some gunfights and blood, but I still liked it.

I expect I’ll be enjoying 300 a great deal.

Geez…see if I ever use a “gay movie reference” aever again…I mean…the conversation that ensued is about as gay as Brokeback Mountain…ah damnit, I did it again,

OK seriously…knock it off about the freakin movie..sheesh, it was used as a stupid joke, not the next line of debate. You guys suck at this game.

Guav - I’ve read yer stuff long enough to know that whole “because she’s a woman” line is pure sarcasm. Being in the position I’m in, I have seen a few females do some serious damage….and they’re actually in the “petite” size category, so in all reality sex has nothing to do with it. And in contrasst, I know plenty of males that are more emotional than they should be(HUGE finger pointing at Chad). But that doesn’t mean we need to lower ourselves by succumbing to stupid generics such as that. We are who we are, theres plenty of variants, and just because you may see a majority in one category, doesn’t mean thats the majority…the world does not revolve around individual peeps such as myself(although certain scientists will say otherwise). It’s not that she’s a woman, or that she’s MSM, or that she likes cheddar cheese instead of provolone on her Hooters Burgers….it’s that shes just stupid. And yes, I did a survey and it is ok to use that label cuz no “stupid” person has the smarts to be “offended” and start some class action lawsuit against “teh interweb” for people on it calling them “stupid”.

Um…I think I went a lil off the charts on that one so I’ll cut it off here. Hey has anyone seen that movie The Notebook? I hear it’s a real winner.

The Regrets Of The Man Who Brought Down Saddam

His hands were bleeding and his eyes filled with tears as, four years ago, he slammed a sledgehammer into the tiled plinth that held a 20ft bronze statue of Saddam Hussein. Then Kadhim al-Jubouri spoke of his joy at being the leader of the crowd that toppled the statue in Baghdad’s Firdous Square. Now, he is filled with nothing but regret.

The moment became symbolic across the world as it signalled the fall of the dictator. Wearing a black vest, Mr al-Jubouri, an Iraqi weightlifting champion, pounded through the concrete in an attempt to smash the statue and all it meant to him. Now, on the fourth anniversary of the US-led invasion of Iraq, he says: “I really regret bringing down the statue. The Americans are worse than the dictatorship. Every day is worse than the previous day.”

The weightlifter had also been a mechanic and had felt the full weight of Saddam’s regime when he was sent to Abu Ghraib prison by the Iraqi leader’s son, Uday, after complaining that he had not been paid for fixing his motorcycle.

He explained: “There were lots of people from my tribe who were also put in prison or hanged. It became my dream ever since I saw them building that statue to one day topple it.”

Yet he now says he would prefer to be living under Saddam than under US occupation. He said: “The devil you know [is] better than the devil you don’t. We no longer know friend from foe. The situation is becoming more dangerous. It’s not getting better at all. People are poor and the prices are going higher and higher.”

Saddam, he says, “was like Stalin. But the occupation is proving to be worse”.

Easy for him to say, he’s not in Iraq. He’s lived in America longer than he ever lived in Iraq. You could have found someone living there right now saying the same thing, that would have been a much better anecdotal rebuttal than this guy. I win the anecdote fight haha

Clarification of intent: Of course my link was simply anecdotal—I found it interesting more because of who the man was, not specifically what he said. We all remember the photographs and video of that guy smashing that statue.

Guav - Well, as crazy as my comment got, the main point I was tryin to bring home was that from my experience, I have seen some males show more emotion than some females. I couldn’t tell you right off the bat which one shows more cuz I’ve my fair share of both, so I just leave that part out of the argument. Although stupidity is quite welcome in the labeling game cuz there are plenty of those around.

Anyway…I guess me n Guav disagree now in that I disagree that fer femininity played a part in her terrible “reporting”.

Oh by all means please carry on with the controversy…it’s what makes the world go ’round.

I can see where yer comin from there Guavo. I completely understand your “macho-istic” attitude and I respect it. Smash away, Guav! Smash away!

****This comment has been deemed not-so-serious and thus should be taken as such. I just ran out of time and had to leave and could not post a big long (short to medium really) debate on my disagreements. Maybe later.

“And I woulda gotten away with it too! If it wasn’t for that rotten kid Guav!”

Brilliant strategy Kevin. Is “the enemy” that you’re going to “shoot the shit” out of the insurgents who are attacking US troops, the Sunnis who are attacking the Shiites, or the Shiities who are attacking the Sunnis? Do you even know who “the enemy” is?

And they’re not going give a crap if we “mean business” or not. Maybe you haven’t noticed, but Arabs are not particularly scared of dying. If we have made any mistakes in Iraq, the most grave is this one: We went there.

We’ve taken out alot of trash from over there… trash that if left alone would be scheming which American city to attack next.

Next? Iraq never attacked us a first time.

We put a huge damper on their plans being over there…

“Their” being alQaeda, the people who actually attacked us on 9/11? Al Qaeda was not in Iraq, and Iraq was not a terrorist hotbed.

…and that is something you cannot deny.

I can absolutely deny it, because it’s a complete and total invention that has no bearing on reality whatsoever. You’re basically saying things that the pro-war was saying in 2003, things that we now know to be patently false. But you’re still saying this stuff as if we don’t know that we were wrong. Chad, it’s all nonsense.

However, it is undeniable and proven that Iraq is now a terrorist hotbed, and now al Qaeda is active in Iraq. This is a situation that we created with our invasion and occupation—by “going there.” It did not exist until our invasion. We have a far larger problem in Iraq than existed before 2003.

BUT, eventually… all of the evil iraqi’s that lean toward the jihad will eventually be snuffed out…

According to your admitted “kill one, one appears,” that’s mathematically impossible.

…till they are nothing but a small underground movement that have to live in the dark and in fear.

Unfortunately, that contention is completely refuted by history. Guerrillas have rarely been strong enough to defeat a professional army in a head-on battle, but they conduct surprise raids at a time and place of their choosing and flee before the army can bring its superior firepower to bear. The army—in this case, us—then carries out a heavy-handed response which alienates the non-combatant populace and leans their support towards the guerillas.

That’s why the Brits no longer rule in Palestine; the French in Indo-China, Algeria or Madagascar; the Portuguese in Angola; the whites in Rhodesia—not to mention the examples of the US in Vietnam and the Commies in Afghanistan. Chechnya is still fighting Russia, the FARC is still fighting in Columbia, and I guess you may not have noticed, but Israel has been doing what you’re talking about for 50 years, and the Palestinian terrorists are no closer to being “snuffed out” than they were half a century ago.

In fact, I don’t know if there’s a single example in the 20th century that you can point to that supports your prediction.

in WWII, the japs were training their wimmin and children to sword fight, so when the evil Americans invaded by land to rape pillage and plunder, they would all die fighting.

And if the Emperor—who was literally God to them—had given the order for the women and children to fight with chopsticks until every single last Jap was dead, that is exactly what would have happened. But the Japanese were, and still are,totally obedient to authority and bound by strict rules of honor. Hirohito gave a radio address to the nation, the “Imperial Rescript on Surrender” and that was that. Game over.

There is absolutely no comparison with WWII Japan whatsoever. Japanese culture is not Arab culture. If you think there’s gonna be a replay of WWII in Iraq, donn’t hold your breath Chad. It is simply never going to happen.

was there a joke here that i missed?

No Chad, it’s no joke. Saddam and al Qaeda were not working together. Are you gonna tell me Mohammed Atta met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague next? No matter what sympathies Saddam may have had for various ragamuffin terrorist groups here and there, Iraq was not a “terrorist hotbed”—it was absolutely nothing even remotely close to what it is now.

We have a far larger problem in Iraq than existed before 2003.

before in saddams iraq, i recall an abu garib where “real” attrocities were committed … i recall mass graves, i recall senseless killings and nerve gas on kuwaitians.

Chad, I said WE have a far larger problem in Iraq. Last time I checked, neither you nor I was Iraqi, so when I say “we” have a problem, I am not talking about Mohammed, I am talking about this country.

Every single last intelligence agency has said that our invasion of Iraq has not decreased terrorism but increased it. Al Qaeda was not operation in Iraq under Saddam—now al Qaeda is in Iraq. Worldwide terrorist attacks since 2003 have increased 600%. The National Intelligence Estimate found that the invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since 9/11—the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse. This is the war bin Laden wanted.

Were things bad for the Iraqis before 2003? Yeah, they sucked. That being said, about half the Iraqi people think things were better under Saddam—not because they were good, just that they were not as bad—Iraqis are sure dying at a faster rate now than they were under Saddam. Most Iraqis were never touched by Saddam’s depredations. Nobody is immune the violence there now.

at least right now the only clowns getting killed are the jihadist islam0-fascists who preach death to all non-muslims and apply it to their daily life. killing them is good, just in case you weren’t sure

The only people getting killed are jihadis? So the hundreds of civilians getting blown up by car bombs are jihadis? The dozens of bodies turning up in ditches every day after being tortured to death are jihadis? The American and British soldiers getting blown up every day are jihadis? The 30,000 crippled and brain-damaged veterans returning home are jihadis? If it was only jihadis getting hurt and killed I wouldn’t be arguing with you—nobody would.

do you really think that i think that for every one jihadi taken down, a supernatural calculating machine produces another jihadi? true, that occasionally a dead brother will inspire one to join his cause. but im pretty sure we’re puttin em down faster than they can come up.

No, I don’t think every jihadi death produces another jihadi. But I think every civilian death produces more than one person willing to fight us. Imagine your beautiful family was killed, Chad. What would you do? Nothing? No, you’d fight the people who did it to the death—theirs or yours. You think Iraqis are any different? And our occupation is generating terrorists in other ways—it’s a recruitment drive for al Qaeda.

im sure that during the 40’s, folks just like you were saying “It is simply never going to happen.”

And they’d have been right, it wouldn’t have happened—if not for Little Boy and Fat Man.

just think about it guav. sit back, take a hit on that bong, and get all enlightened.

You know I’m Straight Edge.

Friday, April 6, 2007: Hussein’s Prewar Ties To Al-Qaeda Discounted