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	<title>Comments on: Royal Embarrassment</title>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2007/04/royal-embarrassment/#comment-73696</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retaliate against &lt;i&gt;who?&lt;/i&gt; That's the difference between terrorists and armies—terrorists are stateless.

Sure, all terrorists have contacts in various countries, but that doesn't mean that the governments or people in those countries knew or were responsible for it. 

After all, the 9/11 hijackers were living in this country. They planned the attack, learned to fly and trained right here.

I'm all for retaliation against the guilty. The only problem with stateless terrorists is that there is often no guilty state to retaliate against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retaliate against <i>who?</i> That&#8217;s the difference between terrorists and armies—terrorists are stateless.</p>
<p>Sure, all terrorists have contacts in various countries, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that the governments or people in those countries knew or were responsible for it. </p>
<p>After all, the 9/11 hijackers were living in this country. They planned the attack, learned to fly and trained right here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for retaliation against the guilty. The only problem with stateless terrorists is that there is often no guilty state to retaliate against.</p>
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		<title>By: wyo300rum</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2007/04/royal-embarrassment/#comment-73638</link>
		<dc:creator>wyo300rum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We (and Britain) need to retaliate 10 times worse to anybody who does a terrorist act,kiddnapping,etc.. I'm sure it wouldn't take them long to figure out that it's not worth it. The problem these days is our government either doesn't have the balls to do it or they are worried about what other countries will say or do to us. Why do they actually do for us ? Nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We (and Britain) need to retaliate 10 times worse to anybody who does a terrorist act,kiddnapping,etc.. I&#8217;m sure it wouldn&#8217;t take them long to figure out that it&#8217;s not worth it. The problem these days is our government either doesn&#8217;t have the balls to do it or they are worried about what other countries will say or do to us. Why do they actually do for us ? Nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Stevil</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2007/04/royal-embarrassment/#comment-73230</link>
		<dc:creator>Stevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sad affair just goes to show there is no England anymore... that's why I moved here, the last bastion of hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sad affair just goes to show there is no England anymore&#8230; that&#8217;s why I moved here, the last bastion of hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Skygod</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2007/04/royal-embarrassment/#comment-72781</link>
		<dc:creator>Skygod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Brits were and embarrasement to their country. Resistance seemed little if any of their SERE training if they have recieved any training in this section of their military career. 

Irania Waters ? I think not ! One thing to consider is that if the U.S. Navy had attempted a VBSS (Vessel board search and seizure) and over watch of security would have been placed to thrawrt off boats and approaching vessels (large or small) Security would have been offset if the sailors had imagined for one moment that their VBSS was to done in Iranian water.  Imagine 10 fast boats with crew served weapons and small arms engaging boats that are nearing the vessel. (For those not in the military)

The Brit sailors seemed to have just given in to the Iranian demands to admit failure to restrain from entering their waters and it's debatable by the GPS locating systems that those waters were infringed by the Brit. 

This emboldens democrats to believe that Iran can be reasoned with without military action or the threat of military action. Just as Nancy Pelosi took it upon herself to visit Syria and offer foreign policy when it's the POTUS that sets foreign policy. 

Watch out people, these democrats are swift and likely to win the address for the White House in 08.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Brits were and embarrasement to their country. Resistance seemed little if any of their SERE training if they have recieved any training in this section of their military career. </p>
<p>Irania Waters ? I think not ! One thing to consider is that if the U.S. Navy had attempted a VBSS (Vessel board search and seizure) and over watch of security would have been placed to thrawrt off boats and approaching vessels (large or small) Security would have been offset if the sailors had imagined for one moment that their VBSS was to done in Iranian water.  Imagine 10 fast boats with crew served weapons and small arms engaging boats that are nearing the vessel. (For those not in the military)</p>
<p>The Brit sailors seemed to have just given in to the Iranian demands to admit failure to restrain from entering their waters and it&#8217;s debatable by the GPS locating systems that those waters were infringed by the Brit. </p>
<p>This emboldens democrats to believe that Iran can be reasoned with without military action or the threat of military action. Just as Nancy Pelosi took it upon herself to visit Syria and offer foreign policy when it&#8217;s the POTUS that sets foreign policy. </p>
<p>Watch out people, these democrats are swift and likely to win the address for the White House in 08.</p>
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		<title>By: Simple Simon</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2007/04/royal-embarrassment/#comment-72713</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and that last sentence was my third cent :smile:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and that last sentence was my third cent <img src='http://passtheammo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Simple Simon</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2007/04/royal-embarrassment/#comment-72711</link>
		<dc:creator>Simple Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody is better for making a fuss over total bullsh*t quite like those damn Iranians. the arguments over the coordinates of their location, etc. - such a pathetic cry for attention and recognition. I don't know if I entirely agree with you that it worked. like all political showmanship this thing has a limited life span. 

one kidnapping - ok, negotiate. 2 - maybe. after that, it becomes a pattern of behavior and even the iranians will have trouble denying that they're purposefully stiring up trouble. that's when it's really important for britain to have backbone. at this point, i'd say it was definitely an embarassment and a political loss of face, but not that big of a deal. it's significance will depend on what happens next, iran-wise.

that's my two cents.

this one thing will be forgotten by the vast majority of people in a week or two, but if it happens again, people will really be paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is better for making a fuss over total bullsh*t quite like those damn Iranians. the arguments over the coordinates of their location, etc. - such a pathetic cry for attention and recognition. I don&#8217;t know if I entirely agree with you that it worked. like all political showmanship this thing has a limited life span. </p>
<p>one kidnapping - ok, negotiate. 2 - maybe. after that, it becomes a pattern of behavior and even the iranians will have trouble denying that they&#8217;re purposefully stiring up trouble. that&#8217;s when it&#8217;s really important for britain to have backbone. at this point, i&#8217;d say it was definitely an embarassment and a political loss of face, but not that big of a deal. it&#8217;s significance will depend on what happens next, iran-wise.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s my two cents.</p>
<p>this one thing will be forgotten by the vast majority of people in a week or two, but if it happens again, people will really be paying attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ, I'm in &lt;i&gt;agreement&lt;/i&gt; with Chad and yourself that the Brits handled this badly—both their government and the British sailors who cried uncle at the first threat of jail time. I tend to agree with Rod Dreher in his piece &lt;a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/blogs/crunchycon/2007/04/what-john-mccain-did.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;What John McCain Did&lt;/a&gt;. So you don't have to convince me that the winner here is Iran.

However, you're just plainly and factually wrong when you say that these men were tortured. They were not. &lt;b&gt;They&lt;/b&gt; are not calling it torture, and if you read their statements about how they were treated, it simply is not torture—it's how prisoners (legitimate or not) are usually treated at a bare minimum: they were restrained and threatened. If you get arrested for any common crime here in the US the cop is gonna threaten you with jail time unless you cooperate.

Until the sailors say they were tortured, then you're just flappin' yer gums—Unless you were held captive with them, I'll take their word over yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ, I&#8217;m in <i>agreement</i> with Chad and yourself that the Brits handled this badly—both their government and the British sailors who cried uncle at the first threat of jail time. I tend to agree with Rod Dreher in his piece <a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/blogs/crunchycon/2007/04/what-john-mccain-did.html" rel="nofollow">What John McCain Did</a>. So you don&#8217;t have to convince me that the winner here is Iran.</p>
<p>However, you&#8217;re just plainly and factually wrong when you say that these men were tortured. They were not. <b>They</b> are not calling it torture, and if you read their statements about how they were treated, it simply is not torture—it&#8217;s how prisoners (legitimate or not) are usually treated at a bare minimum: they were restrained and threatened. If you get arrested for any common crime here in the US the cop is gonna threaten you with jail time unless you cooperate.</p>
<p>Until the sailors say they were tortured, then you&#8217;re just flappin&#8217; yer gums—Unless you were held captive with them, I&#8217;ll take their word over yours.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I lied.  I guess I will be the one beating this dead horse but I just had to post this comment by Fred Thompson (who I hope will run for the presidency in 08)
    
&lt;blockquote&gt;Oil prices fell. The stock market rose. Video images of smiling British soldiers with Iranian President Ahmadinejad were everywhere. So were pictures of the 15 freed hostages embracing family members back home. The relief over the return of the Brits was so tremendous; you could almost hear birds singing.

    Maybe it’s because military action won’t be needed or maybe it’s just because the ordeal won’t drag on and on, but the world is breathing easier now. A lot of folks are happy. The problem, as I see it, is that Ahmadinejad seems to be the happiest.

    And why shouldn’t he be? He has shown the world that his forces can kidnap British citizens, subject them to brutal psychological tactics to coerce phony confessions, finagle the release of a high-ranking Iranian terror coordinator in Iraq, utterly trash the Geneva conventions and suffer absolutely no consequences.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I lied.  I guess I will be the one beating this dead horse but I just had to post this comment by Fred Thompson (who I hope will run for the presidency in 08)</p>
<blockquote><p>Oil prices fell. The stock market rose. Video images of smiling British soldiers with Iranian President Ahmadinejad were everywhere. So were pictures of the 15 freed hostages embracing family members back home. The relief over the return of the Brits was so tremendous; you could almost hear birds singing.</p>
<p>    Maybe it’s because military action won’t be needed or maybe it’s just because the ordeal won’t drag on and on, but the world is breathing easier now. A lot of folks are happy. The problem, as I see it, is that Ahmadinejad seems to be the happiest.</p>
<p>    And why shouldn’t he be? He has shown the world that his forces can kidnap British citizens, subject them to brutal psychological tactics to coerce phony confessions, finagle the release of a high-ranking Iranian terror coordinator in Iraq, utterly trash the Geneva conventions and suffer absolutely no consequences.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2007/04/royal-embarrassment/#comment-72439</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha! Guav, yur killin me here.  I think yo beat this dead horse into oblivion.  Its way past due for you to ramble on about sumfin else.  Pick anything for the love of Pete! 

 What is your homie Jon Stewart makin light of this week?  Whatever it is lets roll with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha! Guav, yur killin me here.  I think yo beat this dead horse into oblivion.  Its way past due for you to ramble on about sumfin else.  Pick anything for the love of Pete! </p>
<p> What is your homie Jon Stewart makin light of this week?  Whatever it is lets roll with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guav - It is in my opinion that the Brits  don't mind using the word "psychological pressure" because they are not trying to exploit the Iranians. Had it been the other way around and the exact same situation, I can imagine the Iranians would be acting so "mortified" that they were "tortured" in their attempt to demonize the West in front of the world. 

The Brits are what we refer to as  "higher quality"  human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guav - It is in my opinion that the Brits  don&#8217;t mind using the word &#8220;psychological pressure&#8221; because they are not trying to exploit the Iranians. Had it been the other way around and the exact same situation, I can imagine the Iranians would be acting so &#8220;mortified&#8221; that they were &#8220;tortured&#8221; in their attempt to demonize the West in front of the world. </p>
<p>The Brits are what we refer to as  &#8220;higher quality&#8221;  human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Guav</title>
		<link>http://passtheammo.com/2007/04/royal-embarrassment/#comment-72360</link>
		<dc:creator>Guav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 23:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice how the Brits said what they subjected to was "psychological pressure"? Notice how the actual captives in question have not claimed that they were tortured? 

So why are you insisting they were tortured when they obviously don't agree with you? 

Happy Easter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how the Brits said what they subjected to was &#8220;psychological pressure&#8221;? Notice how the actual captives in question have not claimed that they were tortured? </p>
<p>So why are you insisting they were tortured when they obviously don&#8217;t agree with you? </p>
<p>Happy Easter.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy Easter to ya'll!  May God's sacrifice bring you hope and joy.  He is Risen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Easter to ya&#8217;ll!  May God&#8217;s sacrifice bring you hope and joy.  He is Risen!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Dawes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Dawes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 03:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh well? so what's happen here? can we say nothing? can we say something or maybe its over and we just can't see it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh well? so what&#8217;s happen here? can we say nothing? can we say something or maybe its over and we just can&#8217;t see it?</p>
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