8 Users Online Grab the Feed

Remembering September 11th

09.11.07

16 Responses

  1. Gravatar Guav Says

    How about a less dismal way to remember it.

  2. Gravatar JJ Says

    Why the hell would you want to remember it any other way than the way it was?

  3. Gravatar Guav Says

    This is how I see it—on the eve of a friend’s death who was killed by a drunk driver, if I want to pay tribute to his memory, I’m not gonna post a picture of the accident scene.

    I’m not suggesting that we remember it any other way than the way it was, I’m saying that there are other aspects to 9/11 other than just the most horrific and depressing ones—there are sad ones, there are heroic ones, etc. Even a picture of the destruction can be uplifting at the same time. It’s better than just a hole in the ground.

    I don’t know, maybe I feel differently about it because I was in Manhattan that morning—I saw people jumping firsthand, I know people who died, I remember the walls and walls of “LOST” posters and flyers. I still get weirded out every time a plane flies over the city.

    This isn’t even about Chad’s post specifically. It just seems like there’s a whole lot of “disaster porn” going around today—one of the gun blogs I read posted a dozen pictures of people jumping from the windows. WTF :(

  4. Gravatar Guav Says

    Yes, I am emo today.

  5. Gravatar JJ Says

    There is truly benefit in remembering the people AND remembering the event. I say we should spend 364 days a year celebrating those who died… but lets spend one day, September 11th, remembering how we got our asses kicked. Let us use this day to remember that the maggot behind the deed is still alive. Let the pain rekindle our resolve. Lets us remember that we are Americans and we will fight these idiots to the death. Let us remember that we will never surrender, never retreat, and never grow soft.

  6. Gravatar JJ Says

    Yes, I am hardcore today.

  7. Gravatar Guav Says

    Yeah, I understand the impulse around the right-wing blogosphere yesterday was to be like “We have to show pictures of the death and destruction today so that those stupid liberals will realize that the Islamofascistnazis are gonna kill us all so they should just start supporting President Bush in his war against Terraq,” but nobody has forgotten what happened.

    See, I feel the opposite of you. I think we should spend 364 days a year being pissed at terrorists, and then on the anniversary of 9/11, we should be a little more subdued—the anniversary of 9/11 itself should be a memorial, not a war rally.

    I was down at the WTC last night and there was actually some douchebag from out of town was holding up a placard of someone jumping, and some of the other attendees who had lost family in the attack were visibly upset—for all they knew it was their husband in the picture. I guess it’s just a touchier subject for New Yorkers, for obvious reasons.

    Like I said, it’s not so much about the picture Chad posted, but I saw some really tasteless displays yesterday, more than I’ve seen in past years it seems like.

  8. Gravatar JJ Says

    Ok, First of all you are dead wrong.

    but nobody has forgotten what happened

    People naturally forget tragedy, and are briefly reminded of it on the anniversaries of that tragedy… and then they don’t want to remember then! Don’t try and defend these liberal douche bags Guav. You can’t.

    It is exactly the same as the abortion debate. Out of sight, out of mind.

    “We have to show pictures of the death and destruction today so that those stupid liberals will realize that the Islamofascistnazis are gonna kill us all so they should just start supporting President Bush in his war against Terraq,”

    That’s probably the stupidest thing you have ever typed on the nets. It could be true for a few dimwits out there, but to say that the all right-wingers spell Iraq with a “Terr” is just silly.

    But seriously, we all know that all those nimwits aren’t going to support Bush and the War. We understand that. To be upset with all right winger because they feel in their heart of hearts that we must never forget the evil that wants us dead… just doesn’t make sense to me, Guav. You need to settle down. Take a nap or something.

    See, I feel the opposite of you. I think we should spend 364 days a year being pissed at terrorists, and then on the anniversary of 9/11, we should be a little more subdued—the anniversary of 9/11 itself should be a memorial, not a war rally.

    I never said that we shouldn’t be pissed off at terrorists 364 days a year. I think that we should be pissed off at terrorists 365 days a year actually. But the fact of the matter is that we are at war right now with people who like to kill our unarmed civilians in mass. We are at war with cowards who think they are doing the Lord’s will by mass murder. 9/11 must be a day where we remember who our enemy are and what they did.

  9. Gravatar JJ Says

    I think Foehammer (www.foehammer.net) said it best,

    Listening to the words of interviewers and those who lost loved ones and speakers standing behind podiums at Ground Zero this morning, six years after the Day that Changed America Forever, I am left feeling that it is time to move on. We do not move on by repeating the names of those who died and referring to them as “victims” every year. Grief is real and doesn’t ever go away completely, but we are not looking at 9-11 in the correct light. That day was not just a terrorist act, it was an act of war. The men and women that died that day were casualties in the war that continues today. We have to come to grips with what it all truly signifies.

    We must not do so much crying as we should be looking to avenge those we lost. The best way to make things right is to prevent such assaults as best we may. This means we have to look the problem straight in the eye.

    We aren’t.”

  10. Gravatar Chris Says

    The difference between an auto accident and a terrorist attack is of course that one is a horrible accident and the other a malign and deliberate attack. For the accident we should mourn; for the attack yes we also need to mourn but also we react and fight back and remain vigilant. Because of this it is important to remember the incident in all its horror so that we don’t ever forget how evil our enemy is. Unfortunately of course, many in our country who are plagued with the mental disorder of liberalism have it all backwards and think George Bush and America are the evil ones so they do everything possible to stop all measures to fight terrorism.

  11. Gravatar Guav Says

    JJ:

    but nobody has forgotten what happened
    Ok, First of all you are dead wrong.

    I guess I was dead wrong—Foehammer thinks “it is time to move on.” I’m not sure how that fits in with “never forget.” Then he says “We do not move on by repeating the names of those who died,” which is easy for him to say, of course, because it doesn’t appear that he actually lost anyone on 9/11.

    “We must not do so much crying as we should be looking to avenge those we lost.” Once again, easy to say when “we” actually means other people. And hell, judging by the number of people we’ve killed in Afghanistan and Iraq—both combatants and noncombatants—I think we have avenged the f**k out of them a dozen times over.


    Don’t try and defend these liberal douche bags Guav. You can’t.

    Wait, I’m totally lost here—what liberal douchebags? Who are you talking about?


    but to say that the all right-wingers spell Iraq with a “Terr” is just silly.

    Uhm, dude, take a Valium or something—I was hardly seriously saying that anyone spells Iraq with “Terr”, I just made that up on the spot haha


    To be upset with all right winger because they feel in their heart of hearts that we must never forget the evil that wants us dead…

    I’m not upset with that—they remind us of that year round and that’s fine. I just thought on the actual anniversary of the attacks, they might chill on the rhetoric a bit and be a little more sensitive to the people who are actually mourning friends and family and not flaunt pictures of people flying out of windows. On any other day I wouldn’t say a thing.

    Chris:

    The difference between an auto accident and a terrorist attack is of course that one is a horrible accident and the other a malign and deliberate attack.

    A valid point, my analogy was flawed. Let me try again: On the eve of a friend’s death who was murdered by a drug dealer, if I want to pay tribute to his memory, I’m not gonna post a picture of the crime scene or a picture of his skull that was cracked by a steel pipe.

  12. Gravatar Stevil Says

    I find that picture very interesting, shows a view I hadn’t previously seen and shows the total devastation brought, I fine visual cue that takes one back to the emotions felt on the day… but what would I know, it’s not like I’m an Art Director or anything. :lol:

  13. Gravatar Chad Says

    yup. to me that looks like a 16 acre crime scene, and not enough dead mooj’s for it yet. carry on.

  14. Gravatar JJ Says

    Foehammer thinks “it is time to move on.” I’m not sure how that fits in with “never forget.”

    I’m pretty sure he made it quite clear that we must move to “less grieving” to “more defensive” attitude. It has nothing to do specifically with the people who lost a loved one on 9/11. Pull the stick outta your butt, Guav.

    Wait, I’m totally lost here—what liberal douchebags? Who are you talking about?

    You know, you kind. Haha. You know I couldn’t resist that one.

    Uhm, dude, take a Valium or something—I was hardly seriously saying that anyone spells Iraq with “Terr”, I just made that up on the spot haha

    Wow, you totally missed the sarcasm, oozing from that statment. You also missed the next sentence where I write, “Seriously though.” You remind me of those folks who love to take Rush Limbaugh quotes of him making a joke or being extremely sarcastic and presenting it to Congress as Talk Radio Hate Speech. I think YOU need the Valium, buddy boy… or a nap, like I originally suggested.

    I just thought on the actual anniversary of the attacks, they might chill on the rhetoric a bit and be a little more sensitive to the people who are actually mourning friends and family

    Understood, but it’s my opinion that as a nation we never think about 9/11 unless you hear the occasional sound bite from the media calling Bush an idiot about the war. Rhetoric? Or fact? We hear 1000x more anti-war bullcrap rhetoric than anything else. I think you are mistaken, pal.

  15. Gravatar JJ Says

    Remember the good ‘ole days where I would call you an “ass-munch” and you would call me a “pinhead”?

    Now we just tell each other to go sedate ourselves. What civil creatures we have become. :lol:

  16. Gravatar Chris Says

    Guav-

    That analogy is much better but still flawed. Its not the same as a country that is at war. Your analogy might be better if you said that the drug dealer was apart of a large gang of criminals and this gang had made it their lifes mission to kill every single member of your immediate and extended family.

    The point is that we need to both mourn and remain vigilant and fully understand the depthes of evil and intent of our enemy.