UF Student Tazed At Kerry Forum
09.18.07Via Drudge Report. This is too funny.
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HAHAHAH!! Silly activists…they never know when to quit, do they. Well…he learned his lesson the hard way. I just wish that tazing would have spawned a small outburst by more of them so everyone could get tazed. It’d be like a mass tazing.
I can hear the security now….”Ok if you all want to protest, just link your arms together at this time…ok..yah that’s perfect..” *ZZZAAAPP*
# September 18th, 2007 at 2:33 pmThe bigger question is “why waste your time on a has-been like Kerry.” The dude is really worthless. All he has now is the neat little catch-phrase (that he shares with Gore) “The man who should’ve become President.” Snorefest zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
# September 18th, 2007 at 5:15 pmThat video was excellent. My only complaint is that he wasn’t tasered for longer.
# September 18th, 2007 at 5:31 pmIt would’ve been cooler if they would’ve tazed Kerry instead.
# September 18th, 2007 at 5:41 pmI’ll tell you what you did… you chose to be more radical than the radical left… That my friend is why you got tazed… and why you are going to get the “special” cell when you get thrown in holding.
# September 18th, 2007 at 7:20 pmIn a rare example of disagreement I’ll have to disagree with you all.
Although the guy was a Grade A double-wide tool, this was a clear example of why campus cops (wannabe cops) are out of their depth in anything other than the mundane. They showed poor judgement, escalated the situation, were found wanting in non-lethal detention skills and what’s more it took 5 of the idiots and a taser to subdue him. A clear case of over-reaction and a poor example on how to control and detain someone.
It’s a strange world when a student can be tasered over asking a question a cop didn’t like in an open forum in a University… shame, shame!
He did cry like a b¡tch though, they don’t hurt that much, I did LOL when I first watched it.
# September 18th, 2007 at 8:00 pmwe should stand against these outrageous actions! Let’s write/complain directly to the: chancellor@ucla.edu.
He should fire those policemen. You talk and you get tazed!??!?!? Well, this is not a democracy.
# September 19th, 2007 at 12:57 amStevil, there’s much more to the story than that—the session was over, and he rushed to the front of the question line and demanded that Kerry answer his questions. When even Michelle Malkin is condemning the kid instead of using this as an opportunity to attack John Kerry (for something) then that’s a pretty good indication that he wasn’t simply arrested for asking a question.
Albert, he didn’t get tasered for “talking,” he got tasered because after disrupting the event and being asked to leave, he was physically struggling with the security officers.
By the way schools are not democracies, and the 1st Amendment is not unconditional—free speech doesn’t mean you get to say anything you want, anywhere you want, in any way that you want.
Thanks for the e-mail address Albert, I’m going to write to the chancellor and voice my support for the officers involved.
# September 19th, 2007 at 6:14 amMan Guav… why the heck do you have to be so liberal in some areas and then rock on areas like this? Gosh… its like a crazy love/hate thing going on.
# September 19th, 2007 at 6:24 amEveryone attending a John Kerry event deserved to be tazed.
# September 19th, 2007 at 6:36 amI second the Nugefan’s motion.
I was listening to the Radiomen this morning, and they kept repeating the sound byte “Don’t Taze Me, Bro!!”. Hilarious.
# September 19th, 2007 at 7:47 amI thought this was in Florida? Why did Albert give us a UCLA email address?
# September 19th, 2007 at 8:18 amosiderocker: Because I base my opinions on what actually makes sense to me, not on what I’m “supposed” to believe in order to fit into one of two narrow categories
Chad: I like the part where they start to lead him out and he’s he’s like “IS EVERYONE SEEING THIS?” expecting for some groundswell of support and instead everyone applauds.
JJ: Maybe Albert thinks this is that UCLA student in the library who also got tazed for not cooperating with security and yelling and screaming. Or maybe he just leaves the same comment everytime some self-righteous student gets tazed for acting like a twat.
# September 19th, 2007 at 9:03 amI believe he did not rush the stage, he’d been waiting for two hours to ask a question, in a line of question askers at the mike. They were going to close the mike just before it was his turn BUT he moved to the mike and Kerry indicated he’d take the question.
The only thing this guy is guilty of is being an a$$hole, don’t tell me the amateur rent-a-cop’s didn’t have plenty of opportunities to handle this differently and after escalate the situation use different compliance methods.
Watch this video from a different angle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IATPoHdpak0
As for the disturbing the peace charges, I’d be surprised if a DA files this one. For disturbing the peace by asking too many questions I believe he would have had to been notified he was now disturbing the peace and be told to stop. The other option would have been to ask him to leave and then go for a trespassing charge.
If the pseudo-cops didn’t lay the ground work for a legitimate arrest, meeting the elements for Disturbance or Trespass, then the students resistance to a kidnap/false imprisonment (unlawfully removing him from the room), is lawful resistance. All the officers actions are then assaultive and not lawful.
20/20 hindsight is easy that is true, but when dealing with lawful assembly/speech issues or any constitutional right it is incumbent on government agents (even wannabe cops) to tread lightly absent of a true threat of immanent violence.
Turning off the mic, surrounding him with officers and then notifying him if he continues he will be disturbing the peace or needs to leave to avoid a trespass arrest would have been better tactics. Then inform him he is under arrest and give verbal instructions to kneel, hands behind the back, etc…If at any point he was then resistive physical compliance techniques would have be justified.
This stinks even though he is an idiot. There’s way too much reliance on tasers and equipment by these so-called cops as opposed to decent training and practical application of simple methods of compliance.
# September 19th, 2007 at 11:30 amSomething incident happened between him and the wannabe cops prior to all the different video accounts, I’d like to see that if anyone has a reference.
# September 19th, 2007 at 11:34 amHaha.. Guav said ‘twat.”
# September 19th, 2007 at 12:01 pmYeah, he stood in line for two hours waiting to ask Kerry a question, along with many other students. And even though the time was up, Kerry asked that he be allowed to ask a question. UF student Tyler Antar wrote:
He was given limited time, and would not surrender the microphone. He asked his question and several others, refusing to let Kerry answer and using up all his time. He was rude, uncontrollable, and it’s quite clear that he had no actual interest in asking serious questions and getting serious answers, he’s a serial prankster who was trying to get attention and make a scene. He got his wish.
The police were fully justified in taking the guy down. He was being lawfully escorted out of the room, then broke free—headed in the direction of a US senator while doing so—and broke free again. When they tried to arrest him he resisted violently. Violently resisting arrest is a bad idea that puts you and the cops in danger.
Whether the cops should have tasered him is another question, but every technique a cop has available to forcibly restrain a person resisting arrest is a pain compliance technique. Every single one of them.
# September 19th, 2007 at 12:44 pmMaybe they tazzed him cuz he asked Kerry bout the Skull & Bones….
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml
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# September 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pmUltimately as I said the guy is a first class wanker, there seems to be a growing preponderance of evidence that would make arguing his corner seem to be futile BUT that said I’m still very concerned about the use of a taser where it wasn’t warranted and the lack of apparent knowledge of diffusion and compliance. Which makes me even more concerned about the apparent lack of training given to the rent-a-cops AND mostly why do we have little 150 lb. women in these positions, wannabe cop or no? There are very few women that are physically capable of being cops, mostly it just doesn’t make any sense tactically… yet another example of the ridiculous topsy-turvy world PC politics is dragging us down to.
# September 20th, 2007 at 8:01 pmDon’t tase me, bro!
# September 21st, 2007 at 7:45 amStevil - the women cops is a complete joke, and to me, it is the most obvious flaw of political correctness.
i watched an episode of cops, or extreme videos, and it was a 5 foot little mexican officer-ess, trying to subdue a 6 and a half foot dude. she wrassled him (more like clinging to his leg) for 5 minutes, while citizens in the parking lot just stood by to watch.
finally, a couple of big guys walking by stepped in and did the cops job for her. i think it was a weed charge, but if that guy had the slightest incline to take her out for the count… he woulda had no problems doing so.
# September 21st, 2007 at 7:52 am