The Constitution Party Is Morally Right
10.22.08This election will be the first time I am not voting Republican. Instead, I’ve found myself cut to the quick by a quote from the great Charles Spurgeon.
“Of two evils, choose neither.”
Isn’t that how the past few elections have been? I know I’m guilty of explaining to people on why I voted for Bush.
“Well, its basically choosing the lesser of two evils”
“A vote for -Insert 3rd Party Candidate- is a vote for -Insert Opposing Candidate-”
I’m not gonna ease a guilty conscience with those cop-outs any longer.
I’ve become a completely disenfranchised republican. This quick video by The Southern Avenger sums up my feelings, and a lot of other folks feelings regarding the GOP.
I’ve decided that my wife and I will be voting for Chuck Baldwin, as the Constitution Party leader. He stands exactly in line as myself and my family, and I will no longer consciously vote against my principles.
3 Part Interview
For a quick interview of Chuck to get some background on him, you can watch these videos.
Please don’t.
I felt the same way in 1992, and by voting for Ross Perot helped hand the country over to Bill Clinton.
All through the primaries I swore I would not vote for McCain this time around.
But I have to act like a grownup now. The economy is sliding into a recession, people wrongly blame the Republicans for that. We WILL have supreme court judges retire in the next 4 years. Congress will likely be under democrat control. Bush has already tipped us over into the nationalization of banks and the use of public funds for private benefit. Obama will only make this worse.
If you vote for anyone but McCain you will be helping to hand the country over to the socialists, and once they reinforce their hold there will be no turning back. This is a turning point in the history of the United States. Can we survive as a nation of Free Men?
# October 22nd, 2008 at 8:57 pmExactly correct. It is time to abolish the Big Gov. experiment.
“Reform” or “Reform?” [Palin] Can we say, fair tax?
# October 22nd, 2008 at 9:06 pmChad,
# October 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 pmI wrote about this same thing on my blog a few weeks back. That how voting the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. As Christians we should never vote this and never against the leading of the Holy Spirit.
Keep It up
Ted
Chad,
# October 22nd, 2008 at 11:52 pmI somewhat feel the same way, but whether you vote for Chuck Baldwin or Chuck Norris it really doesn’t change the fact that our next president is either going to be McCain or Obama. I’m a conservative Christian who will be voting on values this election which is why I supported Huckabee when he was still in the race. It comes down to things like abortion, second amendment rights, etc. I believe that some of McCain’s proposed policies have flaws, especially financially. But I will trust him in the fight against terrorism, the fight against abortion, to support family values, second amendment rights… Obama does not want us to own firearms, he is pro-abortion, he is pro-socialism, and all the rest. Again, I’m not a McCain fanatic. But the alternative is simply not even close to acceptable. Take care… respectfully, MJ.
Christians shouldn’t vote period!! It’s a trick of teh deveel!!
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# October 23rd, 2008 at 9:08 amSorry LibertyNews,
Akismet threw your comment in the spam filter, and your pingback is what alerted me.
This is in response to both you and MJ.
This little graph represents my feelings on voting for the 2 completely corrupt, morally bankrupt, and marxist globalists.
I vote for McCain:
– Obama wins -> Democrats continue to destroy the country
– McCain wins -> Republicans continue to destroy the country
I vote for Obama:
– Obama wins -> Democrats continue to destroy the country
– McCain wins -> Republicans continue to destroy the country
I vote for 3rd Party:
– Obama wins -> Democrats continue to destroy the country
– McCain wins -> Republicans continue to destroy the country
So, despite the fact that you guys are also pandering to a candidate that does not truly support your views, you are contributing to the downward spiral of America’s estate.
I can stand back and say I voted for my morals as a Christian and a patriot, and refused to partake in the rape of our constitution and foundation.
And to MJ, as a fellow believer, I will in no way put my faith in McCain to stand strong “in the fight against terrorism, the fight against abortion, to support family values, second amendment rights”. McCain already has strikes against him in 2A issues. And I’ll bet I could find some on the other topics. I put my faith in the Living God, who wills all things that come to pass. And I will be able to say that I voted as He would want me to. For that which is morally right.
I can securely follow the guidance of our founding fathers, when they said
# October 23rd, 2008 at 10:38 amThose pesky spambots sure do make life hard! Sorry for the mis-understanding, I’ll go edit the post.
# October 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 amI don’t think I’m pandering to McCain by voting for him (or more realistically against Obama). I totally agree with your decision tree. Either side is going to continue to destroy the country.
How fast do you want that to happen? With Obama is happens quickly. With McCain it still happens, but at a slightly slower pace. There is a better chance with a Republican president that we can stop this, not much, but some.
Voting for a 3rd party says to me that you don’t care anymore, that you have written off the country, since there is no chance of that person winning. And it doesn’t ’send a message’, we tried that with Perot and it didn’t work.
# October 23rd, 2008 at 11:09 amI think those who are still yapping on about how we need to vote for McCain because he will appoint ‘Conservative’ judges are being brainwashed by Ann Coulter. LOOK AT HIS RECORD PEOPLE!!!!
and read this
# October 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 amI think it really gets back to are you a conservative, Christian who knows that someday we will stand before God’s throne and be accountable for our actions, words and deeds. When we stand do we say “Sorry Lord I did what was right by me and my country, not what was right by you.” There are many passages of scripture that mandate as believers we must live (and vote) according to his ways, not ours. We must support his rules and bow to his authority even if it means we are essentially enabling a more evil leadership to have power. After all as Jesus said to Pilate, “You have no authority except that which was given to you from above.”
# October 23rd, 2008 at 11:25 amI for one do not want to ever have to answer for the things I have unknowingly done, let alone the things I have done wrong and knew it.
Voting for McCain is not the lesser of two evils.
# October 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 amThanks Ted, as a Christian, I completely agree and leave it in the hands of the Father. Once again.. Duty is ours, Results are Gods.
p.s. Ted, good to see you blogging. Adding you to my feed reader.
LibertyNews, I do not know what your religious convictions are. It would essentially be difficult for you to understand our perspective, if you are not a professing Christian.
# October 23rd, 2008 at 12:23 pmSo does that mean that if Obama wins, that you’ll support him as God’s chosen candidate?
# October 23rd, 2008 at 2:40 pmI will support him as the man in authority of our country, with God and his word as authority over my life. I will support what he does that is not in conflict with Gods word, but when God’s word is in question, I must obey his word. God has used evil things and evil people to fulfill his will throughout history.
# October 23rd, 2008 at 3:22 pmThis does not mean I want it or will not fight for my rights and way of life. It just means I know who is really in control anyway and it certainly is not me or any other man/woman for that matter.
Chad-
I must say that the more I think about this topic, which I have a lot, the more I become increasingly conflicted. Your response is definitely on point, but the fear that exists for me is: Will we ever have a serious contender that we can stand behind? One that will pass the litmus test, one that would be considered ideal or even just acceptable?
The answer I believe is NO. Our current society and culture is in a state of such degradation that I don’t think there is room for a serious Christian candidate. To put it mildly: Sin is in! And it will only get worse. A genuine Christ professing candidate will not fly. Heck, there isn’t room for conservative Christian pundits let alone presidential candidates.
So the questions then, are as follows:
Are we as conservative Christians willing to cast votes for someone who doesn’t reflect our biblical worldview?
How “tainted” can a candidate be before we (as Christians) reject the idea of voting for him or her?
Should we just pack it in and begin working on building bunkers and start stockpiling massive amounts of food and ammo?
One thing is for sure: God’s perfect will, WILL BE DONE. If He wants to use Obama or McCain as a conduit for his plan, then so it shall be. But we must take comfort in knowing that however bleak the outlook, His glory will prevail and so will His plan for the entire human race.
How’s that for coming full circle??
# October 23rd, 2008 at 7:07 pm@MJ - Thats a great start!
And I’m encouraged that you’re beginning take into account our calling as believers. You and I both know that good men and evil men are appointed, and only according to His will.
Whatever the outcome may be, we both know that our plan may not necessarily be the Lords plan. And so as Christians, we should be practicing what we preach.
# October 23rd, 2008 at 9:19 pmAnd the Westminster Confession of Faith on Civil Magistrate, Chapter 23.
I. God, the supreme Lord and King of all the world, has ordained civil magistrates, to be, under Him, over the people, for His own glory, and the public good: and, to this end, has armed them with the power of the sword, for the defence and encouragement of them that are good, and for the punishment of evil doers.
II. It is lawful for Christians to accept and execute the office of a magistrate, when called thereunto: in the managing whereof, as they ought especially to maintain piety, justice, and peace, according to the wholesome laws of each commonwealth; so, for that end, they may lawfully, now under the New Testament, wage war, upon just and necessary occasion.
III. Civil magistrates may not assume to themselves the administration of the Word and sacraments; or the power of the keys of the kingdom of heaven; yet he has authority, and. it is his duty, to take order that unity and peace be. preserved in the Church, that the truth of God be kept pure. and entire, that all blasphemies and heresies be suppressed,. all corruptions and abuses in worship and discipline. prevented or reformed, and all the ordinances of God duly. settled, administrated, and observed. For the better. effecting whereof, he has power to call synods, to be present. at them and to provide that whatsoever is transacted in them. be according to the mind of God. or, in the least, interfere in matters of faith. Yet, as nursing fathers, it is the duty of civil magistrates to protect the Church of our common Lord, without giving the preference to any denomination of Christians above the rest, in such a manner that all ecclesiastical persons whatever shall enjoy the full, free, and unquestioned liberty of discharging every part of their sacred functions, without violence or danger. And, as Jesus Christ has appointed a regular government and discipline in his Church, no law of any commonwealth should interfere with, let, or hinder, the due exercise thereof, among the voluntary members of any denomination of Christians, according to their own profession and belief. It is the duty of civil magistrates to protect the person and good name of all their people, in such an effectual manner as that no person be suffered, either upon pretense of religion or of infidelity, to offer any indignity, violence, abuse, or injury to any other person whatsoever: and to take order, that all religious and ecclesiastical assemblies be held without molestation or disturbance..
IV. It is the duty of people to pray for magistrates, to honour their persons, to pay them tribute or other dues, to obey their lawful commands, and to be subject to their authority, for conscience’ sake. Infidelity, or difference in religion, does not make void the magistrates’ just and legal authority, nor free the people from their due obedience to them: from which ecclesiastical persons are not exempted, much less has the Pope any power and jurisdiction over them in their dominions, or over any of their people; and, least of all, to deprive them of their dominions, or lives, if he shall judge them to be heretics, or upon any other pretence whatsoever.
# October 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 pm@Guav You silly sidewinder. Always throwin’ a wrench in the works, aren’t we?
In actuality, whoever makes the election would be considered “God’s chosen” not because he is God’s perfect lil political candidate, but because that’s just who made it.
You are tacking on a label that you deem as some ordainment to greatness when in fact it’s simply a commonplace title. It’s circular logic: If you are chosen, then you are the chosen one.
I see what you are attempting to stir up, but I believe this argument is about a different plane of “political reasoning” (if such a thing exists) than you hope to disrupt.
But don’t worry Guav…I’ll still go to your birthday party.
# October 24th, 2008 at 7:05 amI have never been called a silly sidewinder before, that was excellent.
I’m only trying to be clever a tiny bit—mostly I’m sincerely trying to understand how you guys square away what appear (to me) to be conflicting beliefs (this is only about 20% snark, the other 80% is honest inquiry).
Because it seems to me that if you believe everything is according to God’s plan—whether you know what that plan is or not—and if the results are his—obviously an all-powerful God would not allow someone to be elected if he did not want him elected—then how does that leave you any room to criticize his results?
And even if Obama is the anti-Christ, and God wants him to ascend to power to bring on the end times—then shouldn’t you support all of Obama’s policies and actions instead of opposing them (as I’m sure you will) since it’s obviously all part of God’s plan to bring on the Armageddon Smackdown Rapture thingie?
And when you guys get raptured up, can I have your guns? I think I’m going to need them.
# October 24th, 2008 at 7:42 am@Guav
Wow. You are way off. Haha.
I’m gonna do my best to clarify our stance, and those are all good questions.
Correct. A sovereign God does nothing He does not want to do. Should Obamacain win, it is according to His will. That doesn’t make them spokesmen for Gods will.
God commands us to follow our earthly leaders, as long as they do not command ungodliness. “Render unto Ceasar, that which is Cesars.”
But all through the history of the Bible, God rose up evil men to great power in order to complete His will. Just because an evil man is in power, does not mean that God ordained him for us to follow into wickedness. For the same reason that Jesus Christ did not crush the Roman empire even though the Jewish Religious leaders were expecting the Son of God to do so. Thats just not His plan. He chose to be born in a barn and live as a servant. As the Bible says:
“But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 1 Corinthians 1:27“
So, we’re not so much criticizing His results, we’re criticizing the results that we’ve made for ourselves, that God has turned over to us.
In several biblical instances, people were so engrossed in sin and rebellion, that God allowed them to fall into a state of complete human depravity (Soddom and Gammorah), which eventually led to their destruction.
In no way am I saying that brimstone and fire will rain on America, but I also wouldn’t say that it can’t happen. I really don’t know.
Since I do not adhere to the premillennialist eschatology, I in no way believe that a literal anti-Christ will come. I fall under the millennial side of things, even though I have not decided whether I’m Post-mil, or A-mil. Both of the latter believing that the anti-christ has or is already here (Nero for postmil, and the Pope for amil).
As context is very important, one would have to look at the authors situation when he wrote the book of Revelation, as well as who his audience was, in order to gain a better understanding of the book.
And to answer your question regarding whether or not we should follow a anti-christ, just because God sent him. Not even remotely.
If God sends judgement, it is upon the reprobates. The unforgiven, and evil men, who’s names were not written in the Lambs book of life before the foundation of time.
And that wraps up this mornings Bible study.
# October 24th, 2008 at 8:38 amWow, Chad I’m impressed! Very well thought out and good use of context to support your conclusions. I never would have guessed you were a Calvinist! I’ll have to remember you as I drink a beer tonight and go fishing.
# October 24th, 2008 at 10:56 am@Ted - sweet! Drink one for me. Wish I could get out fishing with you.
# October 24th, 2008 at 11:02 am@Chad Well played.
# October 24th, 2008 at 11:21 am@Guav There is NOTHING contradictory in the Bible or in our faith.
With your line of thinking the Israelites should have just accepted bitter bondage in Egypt and Moses should not have rebelled against Pharaoh (who remember, was established by God). Granted God’s purpose for Pharaoh was to be a vessel unto dishonor, glorying the Lord of Lords through God’s wrath… but nevertheless, God works all things according to His holy providence.
If Obama or McCain is elected I will accept the situation as what it is: an opportunity for Liberty minded people to rebel against the established form of government.
# October 24th, 2008 at 11:31 amHey Chad
I can understand your frustrations! And, God does work in mysterious ways. He has promised to provide everything from our daily meals to our nation’s leaders!
I would like to have steak every night for supper, but sometimes its macaroni & cheese! My point is that He still provides the meal. The republican ticket may not be Filet Mignon, but God has given us the menu. Also, if you still want to call it “the lesser of two evils”, so be it. I would rather say…”Which of the two tickets line up closer with my Christian values”.
Now go do the right thing…and Vote!
Rick
# October 24th, 2008 at 1:39 pm@Rick - I’m not sure you’re understanding me.
I don’t want to pick the lesser of two evils. So I’ll pick the 3rd party choice, which lines up exactly with my convictions and constitutional beliefs.
God does provide the menu. And as long as Chuck Baldwin is on that menu, I’ll choose him as he lines up with my Christian values.
# October 24th, 2008 at 2:47 pmNice post buddy boy. I’m doing the same thing. I decided a long time ago i wasn’t going to vote for either candidate. Great minds think alike
# October 26th, 2008 at 7:15 pmCalvinist now huh… wow… who’d a thunk it. From Armenian to Calvinist in the span of a couple years… wow! I will stick to my good middle ground. God’s ground.
# October 27th, 2008 at 2:57 pm@Osiderocker - Gods ground? What does that mean? Obviously, both sides of the debate feel they are on Gods ground…
# October 28th, 2008 at 5:52 pmAs to “Christian voting”… the Bible calls us salt… what does salt do? Salt preserves… in order to preserve a moral society (not that we have one) I need to make sure that my vote is a preservative not a useless gesture. After I have cast a “preservative” vote, then I do all I can to change the system to bring parties to the lime light that match more with God’s view. An election is not the time to make a point… the election is for making a difference (a third party, sadly is a throw away)… do your darndest to bring the party of your choice out of the obscurity of “fringe”… get them elected to local office… get some party accomplishments under your belt… get some congressmen elected… then go AND VOTE for president. My opinion anyway…
# October 28th, 2008 at 5:57 pm@Chad… but they only think it… I know I am on God’s ground.
# October 28th, 2008 at 5:59 pm@Osiderocker
As for Christian voting, you are throwing your vote away on McCain. Thats my point in this post.
And for the “salt” quote referring to Matthew 5:13, if we are to preserve, then we ought to be voting for true Christians. The problem, is that we’ve lost our saltiness, and we are no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. Which is inevitably going to happen with either of the 2 clowns that get elected.
And as far as Gods Ground, I “know” that I’m on Gods ground as well. So it’s kind of a null argument.
# October 28th, 2008 at 7:12 pmThanks Chad, that pretty much answers the questions I posed and has effectively shut me the F down
# October 29th, 2008 at 7:18 amI appreciate the time taken to explain it to me. Makes sense.
Daniel worked within the Babylonian system to do what? Sequester himself? To implement Judaism throughout Babylon? No… he was promoted to a very high spot in the kingdom to do the bidding of the king… not God (though funny how God’s will is in the heart of the king regardless of their beliefs… check out Proverbs 21:1). Likewise we are to work within the powers of our system (two party… sadly) to get his will done. Here is the sad fact of the matter… one of these two will get elected… which one as Christians would be the worst to have in office? Then we vote against that person. This is preservation. Putting your vote in a third party is just as bad as living in a monastery… both are ineffectual wastes of the powers the Lord wants us to utilize to make a difference in our society for the sake of misconceived “holiness”.
# October 29th, 2008 at 1:33 pmI guess I don’t see the connection of an Old Testament Babylon in relation to today. I honestly don’t believe that the book of Daniel is a good example of civil duties in modern times. I would think a New Testament book would have been better to reference.
I believe the Westminster Confession of Faith to be a highly accurate and thorough interpretation on all matters important.
As noted above in Chapter 23 section 1 simply put: reward the good, punish the evil. Our government has failed us and is no longer truly wielding God-given authority.
I’m actually amazed that you would compare voting for principle (as our founding fathers would) to a life of solitude. In my mind they come nowhere close together.
If all of the Christians across the US were truly voting as they should, Baldwin would be the obvious choice. Instead the salt has lost its saltiness. We are now choosing to a “vote against our enemy” as opposed to “vote for our principle” and I think that is the serious flaw in broad evangelical thinking.
Side note - another serious flaw that I’ve heard a bajillion times these past few months is:
“I’m just praying that Christ will return so that we don’t have to worry about it”
That in itself is outrageous. Thats a “bury yer head in the sand”, instead of dealing with the issue as Christ would want us to.
mmkay. thats a burn. but I can dish it out, so I better be able to take it. (« side lesson for heath)
My decision to vote for the Constitution party is in no way a “conceived holiness”. It is merely convictions that are beginning to turn into actions.
I can easily say, in my belief, that the Lord would want us to utilize our vote for this candidate who actually will make a difference in our society. You and I both know that McCain will only make a less negative impact, but its negative non the less.
And so to wrap this up, I hear your side. I’ve heard for my entire voting span. I’ve been on that side, so I understand.
I just disagree entirely. It’s not out of pride. It’s not out of self-righteousness. It’s out of a true concern about the downward spiral we have thrown ourselves into with the train of thought that we’ve always had toward our privilege of voting.
And I feel it is all our duty to examine this, fix our sight on God’s amazing grace and sovereignty and to do right by His law and to trust Him in all outcomes.
So help me spread this message instead of falling into the same pitfall that America has been in for far too long.
# October 29th, 2008 at 8:24 pmWell Chad, I hear you and see where you are coming from and am rejoicing that Idaho will solidly vote for McCain.
If you were in a close state… I may continue this discussion but if you really want to gain my respect in your opinion… after the election, whichever way it goes, do your darndest to get the constitutional party elected in some local elections.
Let me sum up my view on it with an illustration and then we can agree to disagree b/c I just love you man! Anyway, I see my Christian duty is to make a difference. If it were my duty to build a dam in front of the Colorado river, I would need to (as Jesus puts it) count the costs. It would be foolish of me to go at some point in the river and start piling rocks for the principle of my duty… that is a waste of my time and precious rocks. What is wise, is to begin work on the dam only after you are assured that you have the manpower and resources behind you. Principle means nothing when you accomplish nothing. What would be wisdom… standing up to Stalin alone or with an effectual army? What would be wisdom… telling Hitler to stop executing the Jews with an angry letter or a well organized army?
My only point is that if we are only given the choice to allow evil to proceed 10 inches or 10 miles… I will vote for 10 inches. Then after the vote I will do my absolute best to influence change so I never have to vote for a stupid decision like that again!
All in all, I respect your position… as long as you don’t mind me backhanding you in my mind once and a while.
Love you bro.
# October 29th, 2008 at 9:28 pmSean,
The Christian duty IS NOT to vote for the lesser of two evils. The lesser of two evils theory in this election is hogwash. McCain is a big government globalist that will ruin this country just as quickly as Obama. You think I am being a little dramatic? Just ask yourself, what would our founding father s think of the GOP (in its current state)? Why is McCain calling for a League of Democracies that will be like the UN on steroids. Think he will election good conservative judges? Think again. Just look at his freaking record people! The man is a sellout, as so is the person who votes for the idiot.
# October 29th, 2008 at 10:27 pmOh yea.. I take offense to the Calvinist are not the “middle ground” or as you like to call “God’s ground.” I guess if us Calvinists aren’t on God’s ground we must be on Satan’s ground… psh. Those be lies from the devil. But thanks for the debate… oh wait, there was no debate. Only a self-righteous comment.
Doesnt this remind you of the good ole days on PTA?
# October 29th, 2008 at 10:34 pmOne more thing… I can’t believe you equate a Christian vote for McCain as preserving liberty. Can anyone say “brainwashed?
# October 29th, 2008 at 10:39 pmJJ- “self righteous”… wow… thanks JJ. First off, I phrased my words more illustratively than accusationally so no offense should be taken by them. Second… I in no way see Christian = American. While the country was founded on Christian values and a firm belief in Jesus Christ that is not the country we live in anymore. To evoke the founders in this society is like telling the modern Jew to be nomads like Abraham was. We do not live in the country of our forefathers anymore… as a Christian I need to approach my society for what it is, not what it was. I find great strength in the stories of Joseph, Daniel, and Nehemiah. They all lived in anti-YHWH cultures and all three of them prospered and rose to great heights within the culture without sacrificing their holiness. Joseph was so “egyptian” in appearance and attitude that his brothers didn’t even recognize him. My point is that we as believers and people who rely on God, need to work in the framework of our society to make changes… not become fringe elements. There will come a time when society rejects us completely but until then we must make a difference.
When did I ever say that God votes GOP? The way you are attacking me makes me think I gave this impression. I have no idea what God wants for America, but I do know what He wants from me. I feel if I was at the switchboard at a railroad switch and the train was either going to hit one person tied to the tracks or a busload of people on the other set of tracks… I would make sure that I minimized the damage. It would be foolish to do nothing because someone is still going to die.
Preserve liberty? Did I say that? When did liberty become God’s first priority for man? Looks to me that liberty only blesses nations that follow Him. Looks pretty damning in countries that do not follow Him (can we say Amsterdam). Do I want to allow a president who will allow abortions to become rampant? Do I want a president who will allow gay marriage? Do I want a president who will force my children to learn evil in classrooms? Heck no… forget liberty… there are more important things to think about in this election. After this election lets do our best to get liberty back onto the table.
As to the Calvinist argument… I am not going to get into this… I believe that we are chosen by God as well. But as you could have guessed, I also believe that He allows us to choose. Maybe if we ever get a chance to sit down and talk over a nice frosty one I will explain where I am coming from.
# October 30th, 2008 at 8:08 amA classic tactical entrance by Mr. JJ Honeycutt. Subtle and non-assuming.
@Oside - I do understand your ground, and agree that Christian and American are not synonymous. Liberty is a blessing from God, and I currently don’t believe that God is dropping blessings on the country that has rejected Him.
Since I know you personally and I know the spirit in which you say all this, I’ve enjoyed this conversation very much. In fact, I miss the old days, when we sat around at starbucks like a couple of fags and discussed this kinda crap.
# October 30th, 2008 at 8:39 amAh… those were the good ol’ days… being “fags” and all.
Someday my friend… we will be reunited and be able to discuss this stuff till we are blue in the face.
# October 30th, 2008 at 8:49 am@oside - yup. you still need to meet my kids. and i’ll be needing to meet your up and coming.
# October 30th, 2008 at 9:55 amMy bad. I should start making my insulting comments ‘illustratively” instead of “accusationally” so I don’t offend so many folks.
The David, Joseph, Daniel excuse for not preserving our American heritage is really a cop out. The Lord blessed the United States and we were given a blueprint for preserving these freedoms. We have lost our way because of the masses of complacent attitudes (see your comments) under the guise of a ‘lesser of two evil’ mentality. Then these folks, unwilling to do what it takes to stop the trainwreck of socialism that our country is steaming towards, call anyone who calls the evil “evil”, a “fringe element.” Since your “fringe element” comment was illustrative and no accuational I wont take offense.
All of these things ARE happening and under 8 years of your precious GOP. These things will continue to happen under McCain. Trying to say there would be a huge difference in our country with Obama or McCain at the helm is ridiculous. The GOP and the Democrats are two wings of the same bird of prey. They are globalists bent on socialism and selling our the sovereignty of our nation. By voting for McCain you advocate these things, whether that’s your intention or not. By putting this manin office you are now culpable for our financial woes, increases govt power, and yet another step away from what our founders envisioned.
Yes, we don’t live in the same world as our Founding Fathers. But nevertheless, God’s blessing was on us then. The Constitution Party advocates that we “stop the hemorrhaging” not jump into Michael j. Fox’s Delorean and drive back to 1776. I’m tired of hearing these mischaracterizations of Constitutionalists.
# October 30th, 2008 at 10:58 amJJ- use your anger to change things… not argue with me. Prove me wrong by showing me the way.
# October 30th, 2008 at 3:51 pmYes, Vote your heart.
# October 30th, 2008 at 7:01 pmOn another note… maybe this is what Daniel was talking about when he talked about the “Obama-nation of desolation”.
# October 31st, 2008 at 3:03 pmI do believe I have just achieved Troll status.
# October 31st, 2008 at 10:51 pmHater. It aint popular anymore
# October 31st, 2008 at 10:56 pmTrolling was never popular…or are you referring to Calvinism??
# October 31st, 2008 at 11:21 pmI on the other hand remind me of a Man. A man with penetrating eyes and a keened sense of smell. I can smell a tomato and just know its not a jolly rancher…………..
You guys should all change ur name to Susan cause I’m gonna win this freakin election…….. And then I’m gonna take all ur moms out to a really expensive restaurant……… and call them back and retain long lasting healthy relationships with all of them…………… Then I’m gonna apply a really sh*tty gas tax that only applies to JJ………..and its gonna be……like……..really……..lame
So screw u buckos!
Alright I gotta go……….
P.S. Super Little fag Unicorns………with little glittery…….hand bags…………ya…….
# November 1st, 2008 at 6:19 pm
GASP
# November 2nd, 2008 at 1:31 pmHey guys. Longggg time. This election night got me a few moments to actually check out one of my favorite blogs.
I haven’t read all the comments but I’ve gathered some of the thoughts. First, well said in the post Chad! CP is the way to go… but as you know we will not find the answer in political parties. This isn’t to say we shouldn’t participate.
As for is Obama appointed by God or not I do believe that God’s word points to a time where politicians will become religious leaders. Obama being compared to religious figures have been jokes but still yet the comparisons have been made. He joked about being the messiah. Well the next world leader we find will most likely say he IS the messiah. God has used wicked kings in the past and he may be moving Obama in place for something special. All I know is I vote my conscience.
# November 4th, 2008 at 8:44 pmCS! It’s good to see you.
# November 5th, 2008 at 9:31 amThanks Chad.
# November 5th, 2008 at 10:28 am